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Osborne is showing his intention at last

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granjura Wed 22-Jul-15 09:36:27

just had 2 lots of visitors- which we really enjoyed- but we had to do a lot of lip zipping. First lot were close relatives, who are Conservatives with a big C- and second lot just gone, ex colleague and family, who are Socialists with a big S, perhaps a C... and in both case, we felt totally pig in the middle re the budget and proposed cuts.

whitewave Wed 22-Jul-15 07:40:25

OK having now slept on it, I am in a somewhat calmer frame of mind. However, my thoughts and questions are these:-
What is Osborne trying to achieve?
Why is he trying to achieve this?
How is it going to be achieved?
Who will be affected?
Are we clear what the end result will be?
Is there an alternative?

I hate what is happening to this country. The post-war contract of welfare, care and inclusion is gradually being dismantled by successive governments who have bought into the ideology of individualism and unhindered capitalism.
My whole formative years were ones of a strong Christian tradition, along with the background of the new welfare state which was an outstanding achievement on the part of our parents. These things instilled in me a belief of care for my fellow man/woman and fairness.and although I can no longer count myself as one of the Christian faith these ideas remain a bedrock of my very being.

thatbags Wed 22-Jul-15 07:38:16

Easy to see how alarmism gets whipped up (on any subject) when one reads some things.

thatbags Wed 22-Jul-15 07:36:02

"Osborne orders Whitehall to draw up plans for 40% cuts"

phrase most worthy of note there is: draw up plans. Plans are plans not actualities. Yet. Just saying. Time will tell.

soontobe Wed 22-Jul-15 07:34:29

I want to add my name to the name calling issue too.
I realise that people are scared and angry but I dont agree with the name calling.

soontobe Wed 22-Jul-15 07:30:13

durhamjen - but if you read only a few lines in, it does say up to.
And the Daily Mail article has up to.
And another one I glanced also said up to.

Ceesnan Wed 22-Jul-15 07:20:46

I was under the impression that it was George Osborne's intention to reduce the deficit. This is what he is trying to do and the outraged squawks from those with what they choose to call a social conscience are predictable. However, to remark on a public forum that he has mental health issues reflects badly on the person who made that remark IMO.

loopylou Wed 22-Jul-15 06:54:35

Here we go again, anti Tories unable to refrain from the 'psychopath' chorus.
Little chance of civilised debate, yet again.
Pointless trying sad so give up.
Obviously whitewave & Co. have already read the Review, four months before it's public, and come to their own conclusions......

I should know better than to even expect otherwise by now

moon

absent Wed 22-Jul-15 06:30:26

It's not automatically false either.

sunseeker Wed 22-Jul-15 06:23:43

It was in the Guardian so it has to be true!

durhamjen Wed 22-Jul-15 00:08:02

Soon, did you not read the headline of the article to which you linked?

Spending review: Osborne orders Whitehall to draw up plans for 40% cuts

durhamjen Wed 22-Jul-15 00:05:54

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/20/benefit-cuts-to-hit-huge-number-of-children-government-figures-show

How about reading this, soon. This is before the 40% extra cuts.

soontobe Tue 21-Jul-15 23:50:18

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/21/spending-review-george-osborne-20bn-savings-clear-deficit

Similar in the DM.

It does say up to.
And some departments appear to be exempt.
I'm going to leave it at that for tonight.

soontobe Tue 21-Jul-15 23:34:02

Having had a brief google, all I can find currently is the Dept of Media, Culture and Sport have been told to look for savings in its department of up to 40%.

Are there links for the rest?

Will 40% equate to 20% in the end for Media Culture and Sport? But it does say up to.

rosesarered Tue 21-Jul-15 23:08:21

These anti Tory rants are getting wilder and wilder!( shakes head, and goes off to find a bowl of cornflakes.)

Anne58 Tue 21-Jul-15 22:55:17

Really? A psychopath? So somewhere there is a document from a qualified person confirming this?

I'm not really a very political person, but I do find it a bit much that you tell someone that they are NOT speculating, and then in the next sentence announce that the Chancellor has a mental health disorder!

durhamjen Tue 21-Jul-15 22:06:22

So do I, whitewave. You are not speculating. He has asked every department apart from the ringfenced ones to find 40% cuts.
He is a psychopath.
Loopy, do you actually read the news? The government has said it will give £8 billion to the NHS, but they have to save £22 billion. How does that mean even the NHS will not be cut? So sorry, your MP is wrong.

Eloethan Tue 21-Jul-15 21:49:29

I wholeheartedly agree with you whitewave. This is a truly vicious government and it frightens me what this country will look like in a few years' time when this dog eat dog society is fully established.

whitewave Tue 21-Jul-15 21:28:03

As you may gather I am beside myself with fury at what I see as an utterly morally bankrupt government. I am totally unclear how this is going to be achieved without major hardship. I weep for a more gentle, empathetic time that was once the UK.
I shall now retire to bed and sleep on it.

loopylou Tue 21-Jul-15 21:19:13

The NHS budget encompasses Elderly Care, Social Services and Children's Services, so they are protected according to my MP James Gray, and will NOT be cut.

whitewave Tue 21-Jul-15 21:14:21

I AM NOT SPECULATING!!!!!!!!

I didn't say every budget if you look at my list. Which of those will not feel the effect of Osborne's savagery? A nasty nasty government. As you may gather I am annoyedangry

loopylou Tue 21-Jul-15 21:06:34

Not all Departments, might be better to wait and see what the Review actually says whitewave, rather than speculate wildly.

Absolutely no one has said every budget is slashed - The NHS and per-pupil schools budgets will be protected in the review, which will be published on 25 November (BBC website)

whitewave Tue 21-Jul-15 20:53:32

40% further cuts
. That's 40% to elderly care, 40% to social services,40% to police, 40% to fire services, 40% to road maintenance, 40% to job centres, 40% to libraries, 40% to children's services on and on it goes.
Now we are clear, Osborne intends to shrink the state to such a degree it will look unrecognisable. This has nothing to do with the deficit and everything to do with dogma.