Cameron Shaming the Country

Those 2 British men who went to Syria to join IS committed treason and that is what happens to those who apparently were going to carry out unspeakable atrocities. They got what they deserved.

No one has been arrested in this country for being part of the plot to carry out a terrorist attack this July because of lack of evidence to prosecute , how was there enough evidence to kill two men in Syria for being part of this plot yet not enough to arrest those they were plotting with ?

These are people who do not take prisoners. They commit unspeakably violent crimes against innocent people.

I would really love it if durhamjen could explain to me just HOW these terrorists could have been taken prisoner? I'm having a hard time trying to get my head around that scenario.....

POGS, i cannot think of any action by IS that is feasible .

If I ignored a bear pit warning it would be my choice , I assume it would be understood why I did it but I would not want the bears killed because i was on their territory

No rosequartz, I did not say it was his fault he was killed, it was a choice he made in full knowledge of the dangers

My comment on you having a problem was in response to you saying - some of these posts are unbelievable

Anniebach

"If you saw a sign at a bear pit saying keep out would you ignore it"

At the start of the year we were being told that IS intended to infiltrate Europe in the thousands by pretending to be refugees to cause mayhem in Europe. I certainly don't choose to ignore that warning sign.

I am waiting for the media to revisit those reports but I won't hold my breath.

Do you believe that this is a feasible action for IS to be undertaking or is it another conspiracy theory in your view.

I really think you should start your 'Well done David Cameron' thread rosequartz; we can all start threads on things we wish to discuss.

However, "discuss" is the whole point of being on here so you may find some people disagree with you, go off topic in order to distract from what you wish to discuss, make fun of your views, etc., etc.

OK, perhaps I have got it now!!

Alan Hemming was advised not to go there, but he went anyway on humanitarian grounds to help people in need. Sadly, as a consequence he lost his life. A very brave man, a hero imo as are the others who have gone to do the same.
But you seem to think it was somehow his own fault he got killed.

The jihadis have gone there to murder people; they also know how dangerous it is (because of them!).
So I think it is their own fault if they get killed.

why do you have such a problem with those who see things differently from you?
Really, annie??

Just pointing out facts and what I think about jumping into bear pits. Some people will do it and others won't.

If I find a viewpoint hard to believe am I allowed to say so? Oh, perhaps not.

Why is it anyone who disagrees or has a different viewpoint from some on here 'have a problem'?
The problem is not mine.

rosequartz, why do you have such a problem with those who see things differently from you ?

Perhaps someone should start a new thread
'Well done David Cameron'

(I would, but going out now)

Some of these posts are just unbelievable.
I wish I could find what I posted on another thread and paste it on here about lies and subterfuge taking us into a war killing innocent people - that made me feel physically sick.
And whatever really happened to Dr David Kelly? A good man, but an inconvenience to some.

Unlike these murderous traitors.

If you saw a child in danger in a bear pit would you keep out?

I suppose most people would, but there is always someone brave and willing to risk their life for others.
Perhaps you would call them foolish anniebach.

I for one applaud the brave charity workers taking help to those who need it in Syria.

I agree with taking refugee's but not all these migrants are refugees not by a long shot. How many are terrorists? I don't know but you can be sure many are.

Terribull, I agree with you and I'm not sure but I think I remember hearing on the news that Jihadi John was running for his life after his usefulness to IS had ended. I hope he was caught!!!

Shame on your country's response, Gracesgran? As Terribull says, we are at war with these people.

TerriBull, Alan Hemming was advised not to travel there, he ignored government advice ,i suppose if you saw a sign at a bear pit saying danger keep out you would ignore it ?

Your anger is your problem sorry , I am posting my opinions ,we are not at war with Syria , dare say we will soon be , it's what America wants

It makes me very angry AB that you state the course of action taken by DC is tantamount to bringing back the death penalty. We are at war with these people for heaven's sake, in war situations enemies can expect to be taken out by stealth, and those young men who went off to Syria knew that would be a likely outcome for them, and if they are to be believed they actually embrace it

Look what Jihadi John did to Alan Hemming and the others he beheaded so callously, what a shame for Britain his family was ever given sanctuary in the UK. Alan Hemming was there to help the Syrian people what mercy was he shown. I do hope that we will learn anytime soon that he has also been taken out, the world will be a better place without him.

I agree with others who would like these people's citizenship revoked, if not for our sake, but for the way they treat the indigenous Syrian population who are suffering at their hands, their barbarism is unparalleled. Extraordinary brutal behaviour needs to be dealt with by extraordinary measures and these wont always fall into the usual remit.

He has not brought back the death penalty. He is beginning to fight a war. At last.

I think the threads are getting a bit mixed up, something I posted on another one would be more relevant on here.
I can't copy and paste on this tab.

POGS, not a case of more respect given to the two men. It's Cameron has now found a way to ignore the voice of parliment , this is the act of a dictator not a PM, he has brought back the death penalty and the death penalty without a trial . When Blair started his war on Iraq the Tories demanded proof be brought to the house , this is all that is being asked now

The foreign secretary said this morning the men had been plotting these attacks with terrorists in this country yet there has been no arrests, no one brought to court to face charges for being part of this plot , yet two men killed in Syria for the same alleged crime . This is why I question what Cameron claims is true . I now expect charges to be made but we will not know if they will be trumped up charges to support his claims . Why did he not inform his own cabinet, why did he not have a meeting with the leaders of the other parties ? The only person who was informed was the attorney General, a Tory MP and known as a yes man I would say the same if a labour or Lib PM had done this

Roses

That's the word I couldn't think of 'revoke' their British citizenship.

Yes, it really is high time that a law was passed revoking the right to British citizenship for thse jihadis.We certainly don't want them to slip back into our country either.
I would imagine the intelligence on the men killed by the drone was good, they don't like to waste expensive equipment on nothing, and the British ones ( or any European ones) are worse to my mind than any others, having had a good life here, to go and plan evil acts over there and for Britain.

I imagine that you would arrest someone for treason and put them on trial, but when that person is in a hostile desperately dangerous country where arrest is quite impossible, and are blatantly threatening to murder a country's citizens and destroy its infrastructure, well, desperate times call for desperate measures, IMO.

The words of the two jihadists recruiting 'their brothers' to leave the UK and join IS is to my mind treason.

I am saddened that there is such a mistrust of a conservative government and our secret service that there is a consensous by so many people that they are implying they made up the intelligence that says there was a planned attack on British soil.

I personally find it unbelievable that any male or female who has joined IS or any other terrorist organisation can be treated with more respect and given more time and debate because they are British barbarians rather than face the fact/ discuss the fact we could have lost who knows how many lives if the failed terrorist attack had happened.

As for the fact they were British citizens well to my mind they chose to forgo that privilege as soon as they left the UK to join IS. They didn't want to be British did they, yet a piece of paper gives them the right to protection even if they want the destruction of Britain and are prepared to use any means to do so. Sorry being a British citizen is not a God given right to protection under certain circumstances and parliament must address that issue. It surely is not beyond the realms of sanity to make a law that can give legality to the state removing British citizenship from those deemed traitors to our country and I believe that applies to all know men and women fighting for IS.

The old saying damned if they do, damned if they don't has never been used so succinctly.

No government is ever going to tell the unvarnished truth to its population, particularly on matters of security nor should they unless they have a death wish (literally). As for Russia? If only!! China ditto. I'm afraid they perceive us in the West as dithering, ineffectual, and weak. Putin barely bothers to disguise his scorn for us! Our intervention in the first place was with hindsight a complete disaster, the road to hell etc comes to mind, but we are where we are , and no amount of handwringing or heart searching, or prosecuting this one or that, can alter what's happened, so all we can do is to try to do what we can with what we've got, hopefully for better (?!!) from the position we now find ourselves in.

Putin is giving Assad weapons , training and intelligence.

Russia and China have vetoed any United Nations attempt to stabilise Syria .

The only hope we have is Putin and China stop vetoeing the rest of the world from action but Putin especially has his own agenda and it will be a miracle if he announces he will join the fight against IS . This is one view I would love to be proved wrong and Putin joins in to annihilate IS today.