Cameron Shaming the Country

I would have thought that is the very thing they must be judged by unless you want a very different sort of society

Well, it is they who want a very different sort of society.

Their mindset and way of thinking is way beyond the scope of our society.
So you would suggest a trial, perhaps a conviction with a reasonable sentence to be halved, a short term in prison with all the rights expected of a prisoner today, appeals on the grounds of human rights, lawyers getting rich, then release and a return to murderous acts.

Yes, that is the way of our society.

Rosesarered, please do not suggest I am only concerned with my own safety, the airmen were sent to America to take part in the air strikes , there was no exchange, if there had been Cameron would have said

I'm wondering if those who think that DC didn't act in the correct manner would also condemn the three brave American servicemen who overpowered the terrorist armed with guns on the train in France recently, as a tad too heavy handed and a bit too rough and nasty

AB, maybe the valleys of Wales are safe, but places in England certainly are not.One less creep of a terrorist, a traitor to his own country, is a good thing.
DC did not send airmen to the US to carry out strikes, my DH was in the forces so I know how things work, you go on exchange to other countries and you do exactly what they are doing, US airmen over here do the same as us for instance.

It's a pity that some posters have such an agenda against 'this government' (and especially DC, it seems) that they'd rather the country was put at risk of atrocities carried out by IS terrorists of whatever nationality to prove their moral superiority.

Who are the usual suspects, jingl?

www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/our-government-needs-to-look-at-the-big-society-helping-refugees-10488902.html?origin=internalSearch

An excellent article.
The public help the needy while politicians let them down.

Yeah. It's called getting angry.

Such a pity some have to sink to insults just because their opinions are not supported by all

DH narrowly missed being bombed in London and again in Algeria, I do not want to live with that fear.

Should have said three. Another has joined the cauldron little group.

The two usual suspects on this thread are making me really with their utter stupidity.

Yes rosequartz - I remember feeling very "twitchy" on public transport in London during the IRA years and I also know someone who was injured in the 7/7 bombings. It's all very well pontificating from an armchair about perceived rights and wrongs, but frankly it's academic, because unless you live, work, shop or whatever in a prime target area it isn't really something that will affect your life. Clearly the fear of a random attack doesn't really resonate with some of you. Believe me many of us here in London expect another one any time soon. Maybe that's why we don't give two hoots about treacherous people who wish us harm being killed. It's what they hoped for anyway, 70 virgins and all the rest of the crap they believe will be waiting for them in the after life. Maybe the women they raped and abused here on earth could be knocked off that tally.

I do find it hard to believe that a 21 year old who has been there less than two years was the mastermind behind an attack . Cameron was furious that parliment voted against any involvement in war on Syria, he ignored the voice of parliment and sent to America to help the Americans carry out air strikes, it has been expected air strikes etc will be put to the house again in the very near future and suddenly he warns the country he had proof there was a plan to launch an attack on the streets of this country, and the first day of parliment sitting

Those who live by different rules to the rest of us cannot always expect to be judged by the normal rules of society.

I would have thought that is the very thing they must be judged by unless you want a very different sort of society.

Do we know the man was planning an attack, we only have Cameron's word for this , he wanted to bomb Syria and now he has.

And my grandson works in London TerriBull

Those who live by different rules to the rest of us cannot always expect to be judged by the normal rules of society.

We were living in London at the time of nailbomb attacks by the IRA.
Someone I know very narrowly escaped one.
DD was living in London at the time of the 7th July terrorist attack, about which there was a media silence. Just by sheer luck she was not on the bus, but one of her colleagues was.

www.rusi.org/analysis/commentary/ref:C55EDB5D1E3518/#.Ve3JR87FJWZ

Even some in the forces disagree.

Well said, TerriBull.

Perhaps those who are not too bothered by a terrorist attack on British soil live in rural, not urban areas where they feel quite safe. My children both work in London, as I did when the IRA's operations were a constant threat. Under the circumstances, I think Cameron did the right thing. If an atrocity were to happen and the government knew they could have stopped it, but prevaricated, I don't think the general public would have thought that having "proper groups" approval, a good enough reason not to eliminate an imminent threat.

Those who go to Syria to become Jihadis, will go there with an acceptance that once they have reached that place they are probably on borrowed time. The testament of a Yazidi young woman who had escaped ISIS clutches recently, not before being abused and passed around like a piece of meat, said most of the European Jihadis were off their heads on drugs.

The whole of Europe by the looks of it, Anniebach.

The threat of IS attacks on the UK?

Cameron ignored Parliament , no PM should ignore a parlimentary vote , what else will he ignore ?

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that he has a responsibility to defend his and our country.