Cameron Shaming the Country

Hmm, yes, but are you thinking of refugees here or of economic migrants? If it's refugees, wouldn't you think their first objective is to get to a place of safety, wherever that is? Incidentally, I'm not advocating tent cities but proper mobile housing with sanitation and schools.

I thought the reason most want to get to Europe is to get away from North Africa.
Think about Tunisia.

Did you say 'cut off their supplies', Nfk? It might make more sense to cut off their something-else! Sorry, this is a serious subject.

Yes, he did. I was watching the news whilst typing.

I heard this morning that some Germans are starting to object to the huge numbers of migrants arriving in their country. Politically, it can't go on indefinitely.

Did GO really say that, dj? Long term he's right, isn't he? But short term it will only make the problem worse by creating even more refugees.

The Middle East is apparently sending money to the refugee camps on the borders. Dubai especially has been very generous - easy for them(!). Perhaps they could help defeat ISIS while they're at it. Someone is supplying them with arms. Perhaps that would be the best form of attack. Cut off their supplies.

Cameron hiding behind statistics again.

fullfact.org/factcheck/immigration/uk_216_syrian_refugees-45984

We've taken 5000 Syrians since 2011 - not many compared to Germany's 35,000.

This is the worst crisis since WWll. During that war we built a whole village in Birtley for Polish women, I think it was, so the women could work on munitions.
A few rich philanthropists could solve the crisis in an instant. They've taken enough money from us in unpaid taxes. There are whole streets in London owned by middle east money rich princes, and many of the houses are empty. I wonder why they do not want to help their fellow men.

Just heard Osborne say what you want to do first is tackle ISIS!!!!!
Stupid, stupid man. How will that save one life today or tomorrow?

Transit camps have been used in the past to provide temporary accommodation for mass movement of people, especially after WW2. I agree with Nfk and NotToOld. Northern Europe will be brought to its knees trying to cope with a never ending flow of immigrants/refugees.

I was wondering about Spain too NTO. They do have a lot of space and a more recent history of Islam, so maybe a bit more culturally aware.

A big problem is the refugees themselves. The current uproar in Hungary was because the train they all boarded so eagerly was only going to a transit camp to process them. They don't want to be processed. I'm not sure if they actually know what they do want, hysteria has taken hold. I gather a lot have destroyed their papers not realising how counterproductive this is. We can't risk letting in ISIS / IS ((whatever they are now) members in in the rush.

You talk a lot of sense NfkDumpling. I can't disagree with that. I still think the only solution is to set up decent refugee camps in Northern Africa. I was wondering about Spain (lots of space there) but I think it would need to be out of Europe in order not to have the necessity for heavy policing. I feel desperately sorry for these poor people and agree with others that much of it is the fault of the West but we don't have the resources or infrastructure to consider allowing huge numbers to migrate to the EU. Let's set up well-provided-for camps where refugees can safely go. It's not a long-long term solution but would be a sensible start.

Just listening to Radio Four. This is getting increasingly scary. It seems that Mr Salmonds thinks we should take a percentage of all those who wish to come without any checks. A percentage of what?

If we let those in Hungary, etc have their way they will all arrive in Germany en masse with no checks whatsoever on who they are. Germany must be really struggling to process those already there. There is no let up in those coming, no end in sight. Can Northern Europe (they won't stay in eastern or southern countries) really take most of the population of Syria, Afghanistan, Eritrea, plus the odd one or two ISIS and Taliban who slip through in the mass? Because there doesn't seem to be any sign of a let up.

I'm all in favour of helping those in need - but can we? Where do we draw the line? The ones with lots of money are already here. The ones now coming have - had - some money to pay the traffickers. Then there are the ones left who will just keep walking. Then there will be another war somewhere.......

It's scary.

Let's be fair to Cameron - difficult for me - Cameron is refusing to give shelter to more refugees because the majority in the country do not want refugees here. Tory HQ and No 10 will be gauging public opinion , if the majority were to change their views on helping the refugees Cameron would act . Not that he cares about the emotions of the people, just he wants to be popular with them

Of course, DC is playing politics. The Tories were scared witless by UKIP's successes before the election and therefore adopted some of UKIP's policies. Now they are reaping the result of that strategy. It's all mad.....maad, I say.

Politicians never seem to actually DO anything, do they? They're always telling us what SHOULD or MUST be done, 'opening debates' and 'asking questions' and 'starting conversations'. Of course they should consult with appropriate parties and take their views into account but at some point they need to take the initiative and ACT. That's what we elected them for. Mind you, when they do act we rarely like what they do, I suppose!

According to the News at One on Radio 4 a few minutes ago, we have taken in 5,000 Syrian asylum seekers in the last 4 years! I also am feeling ashamed of my country's mean spirited and selfish response. These people cannot wait until a political solution is found.

Quoting DC from the article:

During a visit to Northamptonshire, he said: “We have taken a number of genuine asylum seekers from Syrian refugee camps and we keep that under review, but we think the most important thing is to try to bring peace and stability to that part of the world. I don’t think there is an answer that can be achieved simply by taking more and more refugees.”

How is he going to "try and bring stability etc"? How long has the war been going on for now?

Stupid.