Cameron Shaming the Country

Eloethan Fri 04-Sep-15 01:30:18

Well said

Eloethan

Well said

Looking after the poor and needy is every bit as much an imperative of Islam as it is of Christianity. If Saudi Arabia was inundated by thousands of refugees in the way that other countries have been then they might be forced to change their ways. If you're going to be historic and raise Catholic/Protestant issues (and I reckon Sunni/Shia versions of Islam correlate well with this) the influx of Irish as a direct result of the famine did lead to change over here. These refugees are Middle Eastern. The culture of northern Europe will be harsh for them to acclimatise to. Indubitably ghettos will develop with all the potential for discontent and resultant problems, big problems.
Its quite simply far too easy to simply throw open the doors. Complex problem solving will be required to attempt to settle this extremely complex set of problems. That's just not going to happen I'm afraid.

But Ruthie, our country is rich and our standard of living is very privileged in comparison to many other countries. Surely we have a responsibility to take a cut in our standard of living when others are so much worse off? We haven't been through much of what the poor Syrians have. We don't have a refugee problem either. In Lebanon, every third person is a refugee and this relatively small place holds more refugees than Britain or indeed the EU will ever take. It and countries like it has a refugee problem. I am a mother of small children and still able to see that we have to learn to share, even though it will come at cost. We are humans before we are members of any particular country.

I would argue with you about Britain being a Christian country saturnvista but I would agree that we have a Christian history and our law and practice is based on a particular understanding of Christianity. I do think our humanity should encourage us to help and the recorded examples of some Christians should have moulded that mindset.

However, just as much as Christianity may have influence us so have those of Little Englander mind set which is often influenced by the saddest part of our media.

Perhaps we really need to grow up and see the world and our fellow human beings as a whole.

Well said POGS

I don't think the refugees would go to the Arab States. It would be like putting Protestestants with Catholics under Mary Tudor.

It's about time Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States started taking some of these refugees. I know it isn't a very popular idea but the rule of seeking refuge and asylum in the first safe country they reach should be enforced. We don't have the resources to help our own people how can we find the resources to house and feed all these extra thousands of people.Where I live we have to at least a week to see a doctor now, I can only imagine how long we will have to wait when all these migrants get here. The schools in our area are over subscribed, There are many economic migrants mixed in with the refugees, they are not all coming from Syria and they should be sent home!!!

davref 17.07

' Our government's attitude is scarcely comprehensible unless it is the tool of the ugly, right wing with a visceral hatred of anything 'European' - anything involving genuine collaboration , working together or joint action with other EU members"

Are you unaware we are members of NATO. We collaborate and work together in joint action with other European countries all the time.

Albania. Belgium. Bulgaria. Croatia. Czech rep. Denmark. Estonia. France. Germany. Hungary. Iceland Italy. Latvia. Lithuania. Netherlands. Norway. Poland. Portugal. Romania. Slovakia. Slovenia. Spain. Turkey.

We are a major contributor to the European Commission and Parliament , at the moment granted that could change. I could give further examples as could many other posters I'm sure.

Your Dr Goebbles comment was as crass as the post that called Cameron a 'dictator'

Then again nobody should be surprised alongside the 'Little Englander' jibe that followed it was the hat - trick.

Britain takes pride in being a Christian country. Christianity is not really a half-hearted religion and we should live out what we preach, if only because we can see that Britain flounders without moral principles. The principles of charity in the Bible are very clear: we are to give what we have to those who need it more. We are told that when we give charity to the least of these, we do it for Christ; a clear direction to give charity. We're also warned that those of us who turn away the needy will one day be called to account. The parable of the Good Samaritan and the Widow who gave all she had - two coins - also come to mind. Also, we are coming up to Christmas, when we will be celebrating the birth of the Christ child, who was himself a refugee and was unable to find shelter in a dwelling place for humans. How can we celebrate this but claim there is no room at the inn when we live in one of the nations on earth that use a vast amount of the world's resources? I don't have all the answers but i do feel that the day is coming when we will have to learn what it means to share.

Does anybody know where these people will be housed? Cameron does not seem to have provided this information or indeed even given it a thought!
I was under the impression that there was a housing shortage in this country. Am I thinking too logically?

Anniebach

You said in your post .19.31 on the beheading of Alan Henning.

'He was advised not to go there, he knew there was a risk, anyone who takes risks and dies do so knowingly, ----------it was his choice'

Why do you not say the same about British jihadists who have done exactly the same? ?

Well said, Sillyoldfool. I couldn't agree more.

There is politics . . . and then there is the simple fact that these men, women and child refugees need our help now. I would not leave my home, possessions and my country and trudge across multiple strange countries unless I was really totally desperate and at the end of my tether and in fear of my families life - would you?

So - yes - there does need be a suitable solution to the root cause - but in the meantime these people need our help now. . . not 'over the life of the parliament' as Cameron is suggesting.

Half the population of the middle east are not going to be over here, sillyoldfool.
As Iam says, it's all about choices.
If we want those from the middle east to contribute their fair share, we could ask them to pay their taxes here properly. Somehow, I do not think they will want to go back to the middle east and sever ties with the country that has housed them for the last few years.
Actually, they could possibly house all the refugees in their mansions in London if they felt magnanimous enough.

Yes I think it was Henning

Sillyoldfool - yes we know the cash strapped NHS is stopping funding some cancer treatments, military personnel lack the support they deserve, over crowded schools, not enough houses etc etc. I don't want to be as unpleasant as you have been in your comments but the current government has cut funding to all public services to an even greater extent than they said they would, or that many of us feared they would. We can afford to fund our NHS, it's all about choices isn't it.

Are you suggesting I google the name Merlotgran or replying to another post?

Or you could just try googling it.

I don't know Merlotgran, I did type Hemming as did Iam, I am sure she will say if it was an error , they are easily made, well I find them easy to make

Amongst all this bleeding heart stuff, could I remind you that the NHS is stopping some cancer treatments because of lack of funds, many returning military personnel are finding it impossible to find homes, jobs etc., schools are overcrowded, taxes will have to rise to pay for it all. If half of the population of the Middle East are over here, what happens to their countries that all those fit young men didn't stay and fight for? If we end up with a war in Europe over this, it is our grandchildren who will be called up. Just saying.....

It was indeed, Merlot. A brave and principled man.

www.reprieve.org.uk/topic/drones/

This is what can happen when drones are used.

Sorry to sound picky but wasn't his name Alan Henning?

Iam, I cannot do a thing about you thinking I was blaming Alan Hemming for his own death, I did not. He was advised not to go there, he knew there was a risk, anyone who takes risks and dies do so knowing their family will be bereft, he was brave to take the risk and in no way did he deserve to die, but it was his choice

Such good values! But can eachp gn take a family in ? Care and help them prosper ? Rather as the welsh did for city children back in the last war ??
They were not able to chose the child! Some were a great success! But not everyone was happy in the outcome! Some children were used as cheap labour!
We criticise those in power...but what power do they really have? We only see the simplified side ,there is far more to these issues than we see!
Like most I want to see a solution to stop these poor or not so poor from making mass immigration!!
Not only are they putting their lives at risk, but also creating trade and wealth in human lives!!!
Just as weapons are made and sold by those who don't care who buys them nor what they are used to kill !!!
A few here say, cut the source of weapons from them who are making lives a missery?
Make it a crime to sell or supply money or weapons!
Are you all aware that the government sell out dated weapons! so they do just that ?
I was a six year old child at the end of ww11, and back then I heard my father say, how stupid it was to sell those weapons, as one never knows who will be the next enemy !!
GNetters. We could set an example ? Would you like company, some one to share your life with, who in return would help with home maintence and socially ??