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Jeremy Corbyn Elected

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rosequartz Sun 20-Sept-15 20:42:59

As jinglbellsfrocks had the last word in the last thread about Jermy Corbyn, I am starting a new one.

Do you think that the election of Jeremy Corbyn has scuppered Labour's chances of winning the next election or has it revitalised the party?

rosesarered Sat 03-Oct-15 19:02:57

Labour has brought in many good reforms in the past ( although we cannot live in the past). The last Labour government brought us the war in Iraq,
A wildly escalating welfare bill, and finally, to our financial knees.
Nobody trusted them with the economy after that, and slowly( and it will be slowly) the first coalition government and now a Conservative government are getting the country in a better place.Salaries cannot and have not gone up very much, but equally interest rates remain very low and inflation is also low.
The anti British feeling by some, takes the form of blaming Britain for all sorts if wrongdoing in the past ( it hasn't been covered up) almost wallowing in how terrible things are/ have been etc.As though other countries are somehow blameless. We should be proud of the things our country has achieved and not constantly denigrating it.Where else would anyone like to live, I am more than happy here.

Ana Sat 03-Oct-15 19:00:58

They will be when JC is PM (i.e. never...)

soontobe Sat 03-Oct-15 18:59:24

Never happy, never grateful, never peaceful

soontobe Sat 03-Oct-15 18:57:04

Forgot some

The NHS is terrible
The welfare state is terrible
Trident is terrible

Notice a pattern?

soontobe Sat 03-Oct-15 18:54:00

The Government is terrible
The police are terrible
The legal system is terrible
What the British used to do is terrible
Education is terrible

And yet millions of people want to come to the UK.

How odd.

Eloethan Sat 03-Oct-15 18:43:28

I feel that it is not those on the left who are naïve but those on the right who seem to be under the mistaken impression that the Conservative Party has the interests of the average citizen of this country as its priority. Virtually all measures whose aims were to improve the lives of the majority population have been achieved by those on the left - with an agenda which was far to the left of anything we see now.

The Labour Party has, from its inception, been responsible for virtually all the social reforms in this country: the introduction of a state pension and the NHS, the 8-hour working day, social housing, rent controls, abolition of capital punishment, de-criminalisation of homosexuality, employment rights including maternity leave, Health & Safety at work, Employment Tribunals, legal protection for women suffering domestic abuse, access to abortion, fairer divorce laws, the Equal Pay Act, equality and anti-discrimination legislation, Open University, Sure Start centres, etc. etc. -most of which were met with opposition from the Conservatives.

I'm not quite sure therefore how those on the left who wish to maintain the improvements brought about by the Labour Party can be described as "anti-British". They may be anti many elements of the entrenched establishment which has, in the main, operated to protect their own rights and privileges - whatever the cost to the population of this or other countries - but that does not make them anti-British.

soontobe Sat 03-Oct-15 18:37:26

E] They tar everyone with the same brush
F] They are angry at the police for something or other, maybe from years ago.
G] They maybe came across a bad apple, so think a lot of them are
H] They got the wrong end of the stick sometime.

rosesarered Sat 03-Oct-15 18:28:58

Of course there are some 'corrupt' police ( usually higher in the food chain than the constables) but the same can be said of Councils and other jobs where money can change hands for favours given.
Some people dislike the police because
A) they are criminals
B)they dislike all authority
C) they dislike the fact that the police work for the government of the day and are somehow right wing.
D) they were once pushed and shoved by the police line when on a demo years ago.
There may be other reasons.

nigglynellie Sat 03-Oct-15 18:28:09

Because years ago people on the whole were fearful of criticising the Police, never mind reporting them! These days this is far less the case, also in these days of social media any whiff of police corruption is instantly in the public domain, so difficult to cover up. Also the ethos of the Police themselves has altered out of all recognition in the last twenty odd years. Yes there are still rotten apples, but they risk being flushed out and these days usually are.

soontobe Sat 03-Oct-15 18:14:28

Not all police officers are corrupt but many are
Whoa again Anniebach

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 03-Oct-15 18:08:00

I think most British police officers are fine. But you do get rogue ones (thinking him-with-his-bike in Downing Street, and the police who lied)

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 03-Oct-15 18:04:44

Yes nigglynellie. That is true.

rosequartz Sat 03-Oct-15 18:01:35

Thanks anniebach (especially as I was skiving off enjoying myself for a few days and neglecting my duties on here!)

Anniebach Sat 03-Oct-15 17:59:53

Nigglynellie , why do think they have all suddenly become honest ? How many years ago are you thinking of?

Anniebach Sat 03-Oct-15 17:57:39

You deserve it rosequartz , you put so much effort into it

nigglynellie Sat 03-Oct-15 17:54:55

Police corruption? Years ago most certainly, but not that much these days. For a start detection is far easier and punishment much more severe. Quite frankly, I would far rather be stopped by a British Bobby, than virtually any other Police Officer in the world. The same goes for a soldier. Of course they could be a rogue element, but almost always they are not.

rosequartz Sat 03-Oct-15 17:41:16

I thank the forum watchdog for drawing my attention to this
Sorry, I didn't realise it was a question

Do you mean me, anniebach?

Promotion at last. I waited all my working life for this.

rosequartz Sat 03-Oct-15 17:39:34

janea I hope you realised I was being facetious; it seems to have passed some other posters by.

Anniebach Sat 03-Oct-15 17:38:12

I apologise to the forum, I asked a question but forgot the question mark, I thank the forum watchdog for drawing my attention to this ,

Anniebach Sat 03-Oct-15 17:35:47

Money janeaisworth, and let's not pass the killing of Mr Tomlinson as the day he died, it was the day he was struck by a police officer for no reason and the blow killed him , a police officer who had once been sacked because he couldn't control his temper yet was taken back by the same force, and until the visitor came forward with the video evidence those trustworthy police officers with him covered up for him

Not all police officers are corrupt but many are , what is so sad is young people join the force because they believe it an honourable vocation but many are dragged into the corruption which comes from the top

rosequartz Sat 03-Oct-15 17:29:06

janea - anniebach has already answered that question; apparently it is:
to protect their mates or for the extra pay
(it was a statement, there was no ?)

janeainsworth Sat 03-Oct-15 17:24:03

Anniebach on the day that Ian Tomlinson died, the Met were dealing with six different protests in London.
According to Wilipedia "Over 5,500 Metropolitan police officers were deployed on 1 April and 2,800 on 2 April, at an estimated cost of £7.2 million ($11.3 million). Officers worked 14-hour shifts on average. According to a police focus group, they ended their shifts at midnight, were required to sleep on the floor of police stations, were not given a chance to eat, and had to be back on duty at 7 am. This was seen as having contributed to the difficulties they faced."
I have no idea why any of them would volunteer to do overtime in these circumstances - have you?

rosesarered Sat 03-Oct-15 17:20:28

I think the naivete of the far left in most things is why they never do well in this country ( thank God.)

rosesarered Sat 03-Oct-15 17:16:58

Why are some people so ( dare I say it) anti British and also anti police?
If a crime was committed against you, the police would be the first to be called by you, I assume.

rosequartz Sat 03-Oct-15 17:15:31

His Shadow Cabinet will be popping him back in his box before too long, roses