Jeremy Corbyn Elected

I have to agree with your gun example boheminan. They do say be careful about carrying weapons of defence as they can often be turned on you and kill you.

Anniebach and Iam64. You personally are not going to get bombed if you go shopping. Yet that counts for nothing to you. I had no idea people walked around their normal life thinking that. Not a single person.

Soon it does not surprise me that you don't realise normal people living a normal life do not think in the way that you do. My son lives in Australia. He is probably safer than we are but they do not have nuclear weapons. My brother lives in America and works in a University. As we are seeing on the news at the moment he is more likely to be killed, even though they have nuclear weapons, than those in many countries without them. He is also more likely to be killed by a citizen of his own country than someone from elsewhere - what good this dreadful weapon then?

Not at all on a par.

Nigglynellie , are you claiming having trident has stopped us being attacked ? If so what has stopped the rest of Europe from being attacked ?

If there is a demonstration at the Tory conference it will not be by a rent a mob, it will be people angry because of the poverty the Tories have placed so many , little point in demonstrating against any party which isn't in power is it?

Difference being that those guns are used daily.

I've just read there's been another mass shooting at a school (college) in America, and I've been mulling over a niggle in the back of my mind and conclude that having a gun 'to use in self defence' is on par (albeit obviously in a smaller way) with having a nuclear weapon 'in self defence', the danger being it's more down to the person 'in charge' - be it gun or Trident, to destroy either a bunch of innocent kids in a playground, or a mass of innocent people in another country. All it needs is for that person/country to feel they need revenge, and the 'Code' is as easy as the trigger....

For the same reason bearing in mind NATO. As for drones, would you rather those monsters (because that's what they are) came back here and murdered people?! A week of action?! Why is it that Labour can have their conference in peace, but the Tories sadly have to put up with rent a mob? Hardly democratic!!! but there we go! We'll get over it !!

Then how do you explain the rest of Europe living in peace Nigglynellie , exception of France

If we live in relative peace, why did Cameron have to kill British people in Syria using drones for our protection?

"Our Week of Action against the Tory Party Conference is starting tomorrow! Our timetable of events is looking far more attractive than the Tories conference timetable. The whole of Manchester will be a buzz with anti-austerity protest, rallies, meetings, cultural events and actions."

From the People's Assembly.

Oh not many on here will agree with that nellie.

Maybe it's because we have Trident, that we live in relative peace?!!

As someone else said, this is not, as implied, a matter that concerns only those on the left of the political spectrum.

For several years, Michael Portillo (former Defence Secretary) has been expressing his opposition to Trident, and in May this year he said on BBC's This Week that plans to replace the UK's Trident nuclear weapons system were 'a waste of money'.

He also said:

"A former defence secretary and some Generals [this week] wrote a letter demanding the renewal of the Trident nuclear weapons programme......

"Our independent nuclear deterrent is not independent and doesn't constitute a deterrent..."

"I mean, Britain now has a minute army and a microscopic navy. And as these have become smaller so the status symbol of having nuclear weapons becomes more important, at least to some people.

"Our independent nuclear deterrent is not independent and doesn't constitute a deterrent against anybody that we regard as an enemy. It is a waste of money and it is a diversion of funds that might otherwise be spent on perfectly useful and useable weapons and troops. But some people have not caught up with this reality."

In January, Crispin Blunt, Conservative, and only 19 Labour MPs were brave enough to vote against the renewal of Trident, Blunt basing his views on when he worked as a special adviser at the Ministry of Defence, when he realised he found it impossible to envisage a scenario in which Britain would decide to use nuclear weapons.

As for the statement that we have peace because of the so-called nuclear deterrent, I am absolutely astonished. There are wars going on all over the world, many of them resulting from other powerful countries inciting political unrest and arming the side they wish, for strategic, political or economic reasons, to support. Just because we're not living in bombed out hovels and dodging bullets every time we go out, doesn't mean that it isn't happening to other people.

Sorry, I havent a clue what your angle is Gracesgran.

Anniebach and Iam64. You personally are not going to get bombed if you go shopping.
Yet that counts for nothing to you.

I had no idea people walked around their normal life thinking that. Not a single person.

Portillo has argued for ages to get rid of Trident.

Didn't know that about MP Jen. He's on tonight so that could be interesting.

No point in arguing with you POGS. You obviously haven't looked at the link if you think it's selective.

The World Economic Forum is quite important, but obviously not to you.

I wonder, if Mr Cameron will not say he is also unwilling to use them, how can we trust such a man with the future of the human race, the continued existence of life itself? After all, this was the man who went against parliament's decision to involve our servicemen in attacks on Syria. David Cameron 'was aware' British pilots carried out Syrian air strikes despite Commons vote, and chose to disregard the democratic decision.

Why do these weapons exist at all?

Michael Portillo thinks we should scrap Trident.

So believing in a God given end-time would not affect your view of weapons of mass destruction soon. You keep thinking that while the rest of us worry about people with your views.

Yes, the Russians and the Americans!! I remember posting on a completely different forum that this lethal combination could escalate in the Middle East and it being roundly pooh poohed! Seems it could be a frightening reality now, just say your prayers that someone somewhere can bring an end to this madness.

It is getting worse too. I am beginning to worry somewhat as to how far it is going to escalate.

Can anyone remember when USA and Russia were bombing the sametargetatthe same time? Sheer madness.

How can anyone believeeve there is "peace above our head right now"? What absolute nonsense

No I cannot agree soon, I cannot think in such a narrow or selfish way, above me is the sky, the sun, the same sky and sun which is above Syria, the refugees in France and other countries

Gracesgran. Yes I do. But cant see what that has to do with this.

Anniebach, you must agree that there is peace above your head. Right now?

I do think he knows he will never become PM though.

Ooops, more ipad changing going on, the word was finished!