And so it begins.

Why does someone have to live in an area to know about it?

Yes I have no doubt of that, Anniebach, but they are mostly of our culture. There has been much discussion in the media about disaffected young Muslim men who can't seem to find an identity in our culture or in their own, and are looking for answers to people like so called Islamic State. Why add to the problems we already have?

Do you live in Tower Hamlets, petra?
If not, you are just believing what you read in the papers or see on the television, which Marmark disputes is the truth.

Anniebach. She didn't mention countries. We have several areas in this country (and France does) that are no go areas to the Police. These are predominantly Muslim areas.
Up until recently Tower hamlets was it's own little kingdom within London.

We have disaffected young men born here but not of the Muslim faith

Where is the evidence Mamark? Which countries in the west are ruled by Muslims?

Rose,aren't you the lucky one,you won't see many of them in Waitrose.
Does Whitewave trust the TV then.You don't think they show what they want you to see.

It is written some where "wherever the Muslim settles,he rules".There is evidence of this already.

The problem is that we already have groups of disaffected young Muslim men living in this country who were born here, and their elders seem to be at a loss as to how to give them a sense of belonging and direction. They pay lip service to it. What sort of influence so you think they'll have on stateless incomers?

On the subject of the RAF man - he was a patient and the staff had to protect him from potential abuse for his own benefit. I can quite see that they would have to apologise to settle the matter as no-one is listening to what they are saying.

"However I do realise that groups of young men with no direction to their lives can be an explosive grouping....whatever their religion or ethnicity." - I agree with this, which is why the authorities need to be involving Muslim communities in the receiving countries in the task of settling these people as speedily as possible.

Most religions involved . Just Google is FGM religious?

Like foot binding which was another hideous torture of young girls FGM seems to be depressingly popular among the women themselves. Girls have been sent away to have it done without their fathers knowing about it It certainly pre dates Islam and may go back as far as ancient Egypt. In victorian England there was a doctor who practiced it as a cure for hysteria caused by masturbation.

Do Christians, Buddhists and Hindus do FGM?

I do think we tread on dangerous, well trodden paths when people are clumped together and stereotyped.

Every community has a variety of opinion, attitude and action. Most people basically have the same wishes for their families.

FGM is not a Muslim tradition, it is practised by people across a sweep of Africa. People of all religions do this cruel disfigurement.

However I do realise that groups of young men with no direction to their lives can be an explosive grouping....whatever their religion or ethnicity.

Just a few thoughts in my mind after reading this thread.

mariann I don't necessarily think that GNers are complaining about the speed of processing all these people. Its the factors involved. I suppose by doing the Christian thing we're helping the Islamicisation of Europe with all that that implies. Very scary.

They were obviously trying to avoid another verbal clash that they, the hospital staff may be required to take action on, so asking him to hide away saved them( the staff) from having to intervene.Perhaps next time they will do the right thing and intervene by having porters evict whoever is causing a rumpus. Like they should.

The hospital has now apologised to the serviceman. Why would they do that if they were only trying to protect him?

Since when has a large influx of refugees been easy for a country, They have their social workers and voluntary organisations adequate for their needs and then 100s thousands of refugees come needing food and shelter. Then these countries are supposed to wave a fairy wand and have a 100 officials and social workers to register them and 100, 000 beds and daily food. Then on GN we read they should be doing this and they should be doing that. Should be getting to grips with it as if the good residents of Munich were not already exhausted and still working all hours.

OMG! They are trying their best, give them time!

In that case, the hospital should simply forcibly remove anyone who yells at a person in our services uniform, they would soon learn not to do it again.

I understand that the hospital where the RAF sergeant was asked to move from the waiting room did so as there had been an unpleasant incident in A&E previously when a member of the armed forces in uniform had been verbally abused by another patient. The hospital was trying to protect their patient from a similar incident.

Rosequartz. This is what happens when the heart rules the head. Many of the agencies knew that this was going to happen, ie, 10s of 1,000s of people coming from God knows where and no plan of action.
All the boats should have been stopped months ago and much more money put into the camps.
I don't know if any of you have been reading about the same amount of people (maybe more) moving up through Africa.
All these people will be grouping on the Med coast ready for next spring when the weather gets better. And once again it'll be, who'd thought it.

I think it's only police that have to change when going off duty.

Merlotgran, I see Army and RAF personnel in uniform all the time here, especially in supermarkets.

I feel so sad and angry about this.

These women - and children- have fled to find sanctuary, some from bombs, violence and many from sexual violence.
If the West can't protect them after their efforts to get here what hope is there?

If the attitude is that rape happens anyway what hope is there?

The EU should be getting to grips with this as a matter of urgency and sorting out genuine refugees and women and children in need of urgent help and giving them a safe haven.

Yes should the poor chap injured while working rush back to barracks and change before being taken to hospital?!