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Who is right? Obama or Putin?

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jinglbellsfrocks Sat 03-Oct-15 18:19:36

Corbyn thinks we should stay out of the conflict. Stop joining in the bombing.

Which is a bit negative.

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 03-Oct-15 18:18:00

So, you think Obama will call off his help for the "good" rebels, including stopping the bombing? You think he will just cave in? Hmm.

rosesarered Sat 03-Oct-15 18:17:48

No doubt his solution would be a committee, followed by a forum followed by a quorum to discuss the solution; no solution would be found, but all would congratulate each other for a fine discussion.Possibly a leaflet campaign would be advised.

rosesarered Sat 03-Oct-15 18:14:37

grin

rosequartz Sat 03-Oct-15 18:12:31

Negotiation (anyone volunteering?) then hugs and congratulations to the terrorists afterwards and invite them to Westminster for afternoon tea.

Ana Sat 03-Oct-15 18:04:09

What is Corbyn's solution to the problem, just out of interest, durhamjen?

nigglynellie Sat 03-Oct-15 18:01:56

I think you could be right roses! It is a sort of 'get out of Jail' card for us and other coalition partners. The game has changed , so of course a rethink is now necessary, understandably!!

rosesarered Sat 03-Oct-15 17:09:11

I think you are mainly right nigglienellie.Humiliating for the US, but I suspect the government here is a tad relieved, and probably other countries as well.

nigglynellie Sat 03-Oct-15 16:57:03

La,la land it is jingle, particularly as Assad has Iran on board too. I'm afraid we're going to have to accept that Russia hold all the cards, will behave as they see fit, and short of fighting them, there is absolutely nothing the West can do about it. The idea that Assad would be easily overthrown like Mubarak, was a grave misjudgement. Russia stayed on the sidelines while the West got more and more bogged down and disorganised, tearing itself to bits with petty squabbling, and complete lack of coordination, until finally Russia was able to walk in, take over and call all the shots. (literally) We are where we are and hopefully we can cobble up something with Russia over Syria, but I don't feel at all hopeful. Even if we do,it's bound to be humiliating.

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 03-Oct-15 15:43:58

Sorry for the name error. I can't get these names into my head. They just merge.....

durhamjen Sat 03-Oct-15 15:36:15

Glad you agree, roses.

rosesarered Sat 03-Oct-15 15:02:55

Of course he is! on everything from banning nuclear devices to not hanging out your washing on a Sunday.grin

durhamjen Sat 03-Oct-15 14:59:31

Neither. Corbyn's right.

rosesarered Sat 03-Oct-15 14:50:14

Iran has now joined in with Russia, they will destroy all opposition now to restore order to a Syria under Assad.It's a like it or lump it scenario now.

rosesarered Sat 03-Oct-15 14:48:24

Hollow laughter emoticon needed!

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 03-Oct-15 13:00:24

I can see it might be ideal to keep Saddat in power long enough to stop all the fighting, and then, when that has been accomplished, negotiate for a regime change. But can bombing all the rebels indiscriminately ever be the right thing to do?

Wouldn't it be better if Putin used his apparent friendship with Assad to persuade him to call for a ceasefire on all sides to allow talks take place? (Why does that sound like la-la land?)