The Conservative Conference

Sorry POGS but I can't let the comment about the referendum campaign pass unchallenged. The man who 'egged' Jim Murphy was not part of the YES or NO campaign, simply someone who had a longstanding grudge against Murphy, who was incensed when he heard and saw him spouting forth beneath that man's own home. The only real violence of the whole campaign occurred in George Square on 19th September when gangs of men (Orange Order, Loyalists and Right wing thugs) arrived by train from NI and England and attacked the despondent YES supporters who had gathered there. They were immediately disowned by the official 'NO' campaign.

The MSM are very quick to print inflammatory stories of alleged violence but not prompt in reporting the real facts when they emerge later via Police or Court reports. I am intensely proud that we were able to have a democratic referendum on Independence here in Scotland with a campaign which was in the main good humoured, respectful and violence free. Compare that with other countries where the tanks would be out, tear gas used on Marchers, etc. etc. The Police summed it up as less violence or disorder during the entire 2 years of the referendum campaign than during/after one football match.

I have to say that I am really feeling the need for a finger-down-throat icon. DC's speech was sickening. A pretence of being caring; a set of plans for a greater Britain for heaven's sake - does he think we are totally brainless!? If this is what he has in mind - all this caring for the poor and disadvantaged etc. - why the heck has he not applied himself to it in the last 5 years? It is all so cynical. It makes me despair. What a creep. I really do think that is absolutely the most cynical political speech I have ever heard. I hate with a passion these "Churchillian" sound bites that all politicians seem to feel are necessary to communicate with us; the ponderous delivery; the well-placed tear - oh vomit vomit!

And all those back-slappers standing and applauding him - yuk!

Politics is such a dirty game.

People pick and choose which bits of the media reportage they decide to believe. Not worth bothering to disagree with those determined to see only what they want to see.

Iam 64

'Have I missed something"

Depends on what you know with all due respect. There has been ample news coverage on line and on t.v but if you haven't had the opportunity to view them then I guess you will have 'missed something".

There were 15 arrests 5 charged.

Journalists and those attending the conference were subjected to being called 'scum'. 'gobbed on', intimidated and whilst 'egg throwing' is more juvenile by nature it is still intimidation .

I won't waste much more time as there is so much evidence to be found it is more a case of either choosing to defend the indefencible or believing there is no place in a democratic country for 'the few' to intimidate , abuse and try to stop a legitimate meeting to take place, as happened a few days before at the Labour Party Conference.

Have I missed something? The deputy chief constable of Manc, in charge of policing the conference praised the protesters' behaviour.

Excellent article by Tim Farron. Nearly makes me wish I was a Libdem.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/10/06/it-s-theresa-may-not-immigrants-who-is-really-damaging-brita

Won't undo the damage they did in the coalition, though.

fullfact.org/immigration/eu_reason_missing_net_migration_target-44364

Fact check on immigration. They are wrong on that, too.

fullfact.org/factcheck/cameron_speech_conservative_conference-48685

Are you on any of them, Eloethan?
You do not need to tell us which one.

I thought there was only one egg and having seen the child's teddy carefully arranged at an accident scene by the journalist on Drop the Dead Donkey I am now very cynical about who threw it and why the young conservative chappy was there in the first place.

Couldn't have put it better POGS. The experience that Jim Murphy had to endure during the Scottish referendum was just dreadful and I too would condemn that sort of behaviour from supporters of any cause whatever their particular agenda/political beliefs are. By protesters conducting themselves like this they do themselves no favours at all as all the public see are rabble trousers, trouble makers and yobs, the message they are trying to convey being completely lost.

Durhamjen

You can use whatever links you like but all I see is a desperate attempt to 'bury' the bad news, determination to avoid the truth.

You display , practically daily, you have an eye on the ball re politics whether it be t.v coverage, newspapers or through activism. Yet you elect to disregard the evidence that a group of those protesting at the Conservative Party Conference behaved like morons and I am being kind in calling them only morons.

'Anybody' who has viewed , read, looked at the internet for information/news is wholely aware that a 'so-called' small group of protesters threw eggs, intimidated and 'gobbed' in some peoples faces. Actually the faces of their 'brothers' who belong to a Union in some cases, that's really intelligent thinking.

Just because the majority enjoyed their 'happy' experience does not mitigate the fact their were some who took their choice of trying to destabalise a genuine democratic process from taking place 'too far'.

I don't care if it was the Conservative Party Conference, I would say the same if it was the Labour Party Conference. We all witnessed this aggression during the Scottish Referendum, think Jim Murphy for an example. It does not sit well with the public in my opinion.

People may find it funny, amusing , a 'happy' occassion but I find it intimidating , an abuse of democracy and it does create a divide .

The irony is the behaviour of the few who are intimidating 'gob' spitting morons become 'the story'. They do absolutely no favours to those who chose to protest peacefully. Therefore to my mind instead of condoning, trying to move 'the story' away from those who acted repugnantly I think it would be better to acknowledge it happened , it was childish behaviour and tell them they are not welcome by the majority.

Of course you may believe their actions were perfectly OK in that case no debate/discussion/other point of view will matter a jot will it.

www.youtube.com/user/PeoplesAssembly1

Videos of the People's Assembly at Manchester. Nice happy people.

There are indeed, and gunning for one person is particularly unattractive.

Isn't it just. But Gransnet HQ does seem to pop in and sweep up the detritus.

Back to the thread topic. Has Teresa May developed some sort of split personality or has she forgotten what her job has been over the last five years? Weird.

My house is a mess, though, roseq.
I can procrastinate very well about housework.

Teresa May has lost it today. Blown her chance of being the next leader.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/06/theresa-may-immigration-threat-britain

djen I am beginning to feel like a real sloth.
You must have more energy than me.
I was nearly right though
I think djen is one of those very organised people who get up at 6 am

However, I do have DGC3 tomorrow to keep me on my toes (or off them by the end of the day).

Anyone have any under 25s on minimum wage?
This is what the Tories think of them.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/10/06/matthew-hancock-living-minimum-wage_n_8252008.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

A few more thousand votes for Corbyn, then.
That's destroyed Osborne's talk of the party of the workers.

Well said nelliemoser!

Some of the subsequent comments, well, pots and kettles eh?

There are indeed, and gunning for one person is particularly unattractive.

Yes, I agree, niggly, there are some patronising bullies on here, aren't there?

I'm sure you are dj, but not in North Korea, however!! No of course you don't have to know everything soon, nobody on this thread knows everything, although they would lead you to believe that they do!! Don't let yourself be put down over it though, there are some patronising bullies on here and at times they need standing up to.

Nigglynellie For heavens sake! I was not suggesting Soontobe was to be sent anywhere.

Soontobe had said I may have to accept that perhaps I am a bit unique in being so against marches. I wont or wouldnt even do a christian parade.
I happen to think that a mass of people marching for whatever reason is intimidating.

I was trying to make an analogy about not standing up for important democratic causes. If you just don't happen to want to march or protest against injustice. If our civil rights are being threatened, it is us being intimidated by the powerful.

If we don't fight campaigns to keep our hard earned democratic rights and freedoms when they are threatened, regimes like North Korea are an extreme consequence; but never say it could not happen here.

In Britain we are lucky to be able to demonstrate and criticise the ruling parties of government.Or plans to dismantle the NHS.
Without people protesting would we have Magna Carta?
Or votes for women.
Would the civil rights movement have got anywhere? NO.
We have a right of peaceful protest and should excercise it when our nations civil rights are threatened.

secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/m/74c0762c/2d1c5aab/7108353d/463f6534/3883475032/VEsF/

For those who do not agree with Teresa May about asylum.
By the way, it was a link on an email. I haven't been trawling the internet for it.

Go soon all power to your elbow as you drive us mad