The Conservative Conference

I'm genuinely fascinated durhamjen. Do you spend all your day, 24/7, trawliing the internet for links? Haven't you got a dog that needs walking, or maybe even a gold fish that needs feeding?

Were the rest of us allowed to read it?

(I did anyway )
How embarrassing!

Just for you, absent.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-hunt-toilet-blunder-pulls-6582267

stb

I'm fine, thanks everyone

in fact has a lot of resilience smile and is like a balloon, pops up!!!

let's hope she doesn't get deflated whitewave

And of course you never do it, do you durhamjen...?

Fortunately he will not stand a chance, so that's okay then.
I thought we were not supposed to attack people, absent. I thought that was what the left were accused of doing.

Just caught up with the speeches....Rock on Boris. One of the only politicians who would /could entice me back to the UK if he became PM. (sits back and waits for the Leftie vitriol and one of dj's endless links)

I understand some like to take part in protests/demonstrations but I do not accept that the use of intimidation/egg throwing/ calling people 'scum' and most certainly not 'gobbing' in someone's face is remotely acceptable.

It has little relevence to me it was a small , 'so called' break away group that chose to be have like morons that is no excuse , it is defending the indefensible.

So much for the 'New Politics' of ushering in a 'Kinder Politics'. What irony.

Why do people think they have a right to intimidate others because they disagree with them or try and stop them going about their business. It is cowardly aggression and a desire to spit in the face of democracy.

As I posted on another thread ' More of it to come'

And DC is rabbitting on about fining people whose children take a week off school for a holiday - and if they don't pay, taking it out of their child benefit. I would have thought he would have better things to occupy his mind than telling parents what is best for their children, as if they have no brains.

I have no problem with demonstrations - it is part of democracy. But there will always be disruptive people who gatecrash them. Better that than no right to demonstrate.

It's people one has to respect, not their views, so one can pour scorn and derision on viewpoints without pouring either on the person who holds the views you scorn and deride. That is what freedom means and how democratic discussions work.

Scorning an idea is not the same as scorning a person.

#bags'shobbyhorse

I have no problem with people demonstrating and protesting about things they feel strongly about - I do have a problem when a minority hijack those demonstrations and use intimidation and bullying to get the message across.

I will listen to anyone's opinions and arguments and give them the respect they deserve as long as they are prepared to also respect my views. Once someone uses bullying tactics as far as I am concerned they have lost the argument. How does throwing eggs at someone advance any argument or cause?

When discussing (and supporting) protests with someone I said that the majority of people are reasonable the reply was that a person is reasonable, people can become a bullying mob.

But in the heat of debate etc. A quick remark helps keep the flow. Although you must be fair and accept that the person to whom the remark was made did not seem to feel bullied. She in fact has a lot of resilience and is like a balloon, pops up!!!

I have to go now - off to buy some apples to store, and to a craft shop for Xmas card bits and pieces

But it could have been put in a way that did not imply derision and scorn.

In fact - as you have just done, whitewave

Well, I have re- read the remark in the context it was made. Now the poster may correct me but it seems to me that she was pointing out that if all marches and struggle was banned from this country, our standards of living and freedom of speech would be utterly compromised, and we would not have progressed from the 19th century. It was up to those that disagreed with this remark to defend their position.

they'll be condemned to derision and scorn

you may not, whitewave but there are some who do derision and scorn quite well
That's okay,soon, you go back to the nineteenth century
Perhaps this is an example?

Oh! I hope that I have never bullied anyone. I may try to put my point robustly, and would expect an equally robust reply. Rather like your replies

My point is, that although anyone can argue the toss all they like (democracy) at the end of the day, they have to agree with whoever or they'll be brow beaten till they do, or if they really won't, they'll be condemned to derision and scorn. (democracy?!!)

I know niggly but not quite sure of your point.

Just for the record, it wasn't only the British who have committed atrocities throughout history. I know you people on the left find this a hard pill to swallow, but it is actually true. We weren't the only country to have colonies and behave extremely badly, we certainly weren't the only country involved in slavery, which without the connivance of other people couldn't have happened as no European would or could have travelled into any part of Africa in the 18th/19th century. We were (sadly for Britain haters) responsible for the abolition of slavery, well, only in Europe of course ,as to this day it's alive and well in other countries, but of course we don't mention that, only Britain bashing allowed on this forum. The bullying of one person who has dared (brave old you!) to say that they don't approve of demonstrations is down right awful, and clearly demonstrates that differences of opinion are not to be tolerated in certain quarters. Why should we all have to meekly fall into line, be told what we do or do not agree with, and be lambasted if we dare to differ?!! So much for democracy! As Henry Ford said, ' you can have any colour, so long as it's black'!!

Listening to their speeches how familiar they are with words spoken at meetings to build workhouses in the 19th century, and reports written when admitting a new inmate

Oh I see! Our illustrious PM has just said that the uncontrolled immigration exists because of our brilliant pay and welfare payments. So the answer to this uncontrolled immigration is to reform welfare!!!!!!! Soon they will be arguing to reduce salaries, in order to stop immigration.
I feel as if I live in a madhouse.

Yes! From one of the richest people on the cabinet here is the latest nugget.

Hunt attended a fringe event (seems to me that this is where you find what they really want, and even then they are probably being a bit circumspect)

So those families on tax credits "lack dignity and respect" These people must learn to work harder. Children whose families earn less than £16500 were deemed to be in poverty, but according to Hunt it isn't the amount of money a family earns, but where that money came from!!!!!! So if the entire £16500 is earned from your own efforts, then you are independent and earn respect, anything less you are a drag on society and don't deserve either respect or dignity.

Time to re-open the workhouses.

One almost believes that Dickens has risen from the dead and writing a weekly piece once again.

I have been on many marches and have never seen the sort of aggressive behaviour that TV reporters manage to find.

I find a bunch of football fans chanting and shouting in the ticket hall, on the platform or in a carriage on the underground - and this is quite a common sight in London - very much more intimidating than a demonstration.