The Conservative Conference

Hard work "like the Chinese" Jen. He has been rowing back every since he said it.

I think this is the truth about the cuts in WTC but surely they could just have raised the minimum hours of work for certain categories - as long as there is actually work available of course. :-(

Jeremy Corbyn spoke to a hall of 7000 people about the sell off of Royal Mail, just round the corner from the Tory Conference.
I wonder how many there were at the conference.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2015/10/05/is-it-really-possible-that-jeremy-hunt-can-say-this/

Guardian front page tomorrow has Hunt saying welfare cuts encourage harder work.
Why does that only apply at the bottom and not at the top?
Why was MPs pay not cut by 11% to encourage them to work harder?

Notting Hill Carnival?

True Gracesgran.
I may have to accept that perhaps I am a bit unique in being so against marches. I wont or wouldnt even do a christian parade.
I happen to think that a mass of people marching for whatever reason is intimidating.

[A carnival or morris dancing or something would be exempt! and ok].

I realise I sound about 6 but there we are!

That's okay,soon, you go back to the nineteenth century if you'd rather not have anything that marches have brought you.
Go back to slave wages and no vote.

I should have said will not or cannot of course because sometimes you are attracting the attention of the rest of the citizens not of the government.

I think you forgot that there has to be listening as well as talking and if others will not listen you have to find a way of getting their attention soon.

I probably put more store in talking than I should.

You lot may be right on this[no idea what the JC comment is about dj]. I was definitely not brought up to march! It remains totally outside of what I would feel comfortable doing. For anything whatsoever. That would include anything christian too.
They never seem peaceful, and very antagonistic. And dare I say it bullyish.
I would rather not have whatever they may bring about.
But I may think differently tomorrow! After you lot have persuaded me

soon, this is a wind up, has to be , do you think Mandela spent all those years in jail because he was disgruntled ? Have you no idea how many years we supporters of the anti apartheid movement did protest ? And the calves that use to be packed in stock lorries then into ferries , do you think they should have waited to be given a vote ? And I assure you the threat of losing your job and you home makes you rather more than disgruntled

I will have a think overnight!

When you say "talking" soontobe who should have done the talking at the time of the Jarrow hunger marches? Who should have "talked" to represent the thousands against the Bomb? Who should have "talked " in the US about Civil Rights or the Vietnam war?
The freedom to protest in public, and given the numbers, peacefully, is something very precious. Without that, we would not enjoy the political and civil liberties we have today.
It is clear that you are not a political person, but stop and think about how we have got equality, votes for women, trades unions, and all the things which have formed our society, then look at some of the totalitarian regimes and see what happens there.

soon, do you think the same of the protests against S A apartheid ? You would be content if it had remained ?

Sorry, soon, but you do not believe that Jeremy Corbyn talking is right. You need to make up your mind. You cannot deny that you have got the right to vote because of women taking direct action. Or maybe you do not know your history sufficiently well.

soon, not all the Ghandi peace protests were peaceful, do read up on the 1919 Amristsar massacre. A group of nonviolent protesters and Baishakhi Pilgrims were fired on by the British army under orders of a Col Dyer, over 1,000 people were murdered. It was a blood bath

Talking Alea.
Sorry, I just dont like marches. All of them. I dont have to like them.

If talking doesnt work, then no you dont get the vote, or whatever.
My opinion may be wrong, but there you are.

You were not interested in politics but you had probably already voted in two general elections. Suffragettes had got you that vote.

I think I have a problem with marches in general. All of them.I just dont like them. I just dont think in general, that that is a way to behave. Maybe that is just me

From the Jarrow marchers, through Suffragettes and Votes for Women, CND and Aldermaston, even the Countryside Alliance (!) this country has an honourable historical tradition of marching on matters of principle, so soontobe, please don't go rubbishing people with sincere beliefs who are prepared to stand up for their principles. Actually I could go even further back to the Peasants' Revolt and the Lollards, these people were prepared to die for their beliefs. I find it really prissy to say "I just don't think in general that that is a way to behave"

What would you suggest instead?

In 1984, at 23, politics was not what I was interested in!
And what little I did know[Arthur Scargill] would not have enticed me to join!

Actually, soon, I've realised that you are older than my sons, and they were active during the miners strike, and followed the rockets around when they were being moved around Hampshire. So it's not that you were young, more that you could not be bothered.

It does!

Jeremy Hunt has also told us that the welfare cuts will make us work harder, like the Chinese. Nothing like a bit of stereotyping.

twitter.com/BenChu_/status/651068997102870528/photo/1

Ben Chu does not agree with him. Not sure if this link will work as it's from twitter. However you can find it if you are on twitter - but only if you want to.

I am too young for CND, miners strike etc.

To me, marches involve large groups of people who are at best disgruntled.

As in, if on a forum, many people pile in on someone occasionally, I think it is sort of aggressive, pack mentality to march?

The TV tends to show the non peaceful parts, so that has probably shaped my view, perhaps or probably not in the way it is sometimes?
Perhaps they dont really show all the peaceful march stuff? Because that would be boring tv.