David Cameron's speech

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/07/camerons-assault-on-poverty-pledge-undone-by-new-figures

Shame his speech was rubbish. It would be nice if he actually did what he said.

richardhutton.wordpress.com/

Brilliant. Never heard of him before, but hope to again.

You are right nanakate.

By the way, Lucky, has anyone answered your question?

No!

I had hoped that the opportunity to defend DC would be irresistible - but apparently not.

jinglbellsfrocks, I'm not suggesting that it gets tacked on to the curriculum as it is. I'm suggesting that the curriculum needs overhauling to allow space for it. How about less teaching for testing (at all ages) and more space for critical thinking? Then we might get an education system rather than a schooling system.

Actually, oldbony, the privy council originally existed to wipe the monarch's bum!

Lucky, no-one can defend DC because he is indefensible!

oldbony - I don't think vitriolic language is exclusive to lefties. I felt parts of DC's speech came close. You say - and I paraphrase a bit - that because of the coalition DC was unable to put into practice(!) all that he would have liked. I say, thank heaven for that. luckygirl In answer to your question: very little!

Or of course CindySherman, the parents could do a bit of the teaching themselves. But that would require time off of Mumsnet which is obviously in such a short supply these days of want it all,right now.

Dan Hodges (a Labourite if ever there was one) in the Telegraph, if I remember rightly, thinks Cameron's speech shifted the Cameron and the Conservative Party (because of the positive response DC's speech got at conference) towards the centre in political terms, rather than further to the right. I'll look for a link if anyone wants it.

Dan Hodges is a Blairite, rather than Labourite.

I think you's find it difficult to find an article by him in the Telegraph to support the idea that he is a Labourite. Not looking because it will reduce the number of articles I can read that I want to read.
I bet he and his mother have lots of political arguments.

Indeed DC's speech was an attempt to negate their highly right wing unsympathetic image and the rise of JC could very well be a factor in the decision.

For me, as you will have noticed , that speech came across as cynical posturing, which I find entirely sickening.

I love the Richard Hutton piece Jen

The 'groom of the stool' wiped the monarchs backside, nothing to do with the privy council. The last monarch to have this services was Edward V1th. His groom was Sir Michael Stanhope who was subsequently executed for felony.

Apparently the groom was a very powerful person in court as he had the ear, as well as the arse of the king! Oh joy!

Yes, Gracesgran; so true.

"Furthermore, Cameron is quite right to help people break the cycle of dependency upon benefits, by leaving them penniless. If we simply redefine poverty, until it no longer includes anybody at all, then the government will go down as a historical first. Nothing could be more egalitarian than his belief that poverty and neglect should apply to the whole of the UK – not just isolated regions. For if you make everyone poor then nobody will ever notice. “If you’re working and still struggling, the problem is that you’re just not poor enough. Let us help you with that”, he might explain."

Cameron just bringing together the speeches of Hunt and IDS, with a touch of Osborne.

Dan Hodges seems to think he's a Labourite: "Over the past few weeks I had started to become genuinely despondent about what was happening to the Labour Party. I spent a fair part of my life working for Labour and the wider Labour movement. I obviously spend a lot of my time writing about it. A lot of my friends are, or once were, in the Labour Party. A lot of the people I most respect in public life are in the Labour Party."

Dan Hodges and his mother ex Labour MP Glenda Jackson are obviously 'Labourite'. Uncontestable.

What is happening is anybody who does not agree with the far left of Labour or Jeremy Corbyn are either having their 'credentials' challenged as to their support to the Labour Party or being called 'Blairite' 'Tories'. Nothing new but more widely used to discredit/insult those who are not far left of Labour.

Labour MP Liz Kendle had to suffer the latter during the Leadership Contest and no doubt will continue to be chastised by the far left of Labour for as long as she remains a democratically elected Labour Member of Parliament. The fact is she showed more maturity in how she dealt with it than those who chose to call her a 'Tory'.

All this stuff citing Blairites and Labourites is barmy.

Not if you're on the extreme left, roses!

Hardly anybody is on the extreme left, that's why it's so daft.

julijuxtaposed.wordpress.com/2015/10/07/its-you-conservative-government-please-stop/

www.tes.com/news/school-news/breaking-views/there-has-been-unprecedented-attack-our-wonderful-profession-one

I like this.I wish more people would stand up to Tory MPs.