Tory welfare cuts will impoverish 200,000 children next year and more than 600,00 in 2020

Interesting day tomorrow perhaps GO will hope the Lords help him to stop digging his enormous hole!

Nicky Morgan has said that Gideon is always ready to listen.
She obviously knows a different person, who gets left behind in the office.

Nicky Morgan always looks like a rabbit in headlights

I think it is time we stopped and considered who the main benefitters are of working tax credits. It is not the low paid worker families. It is a good number of for profit businesses that are screwing the UK taxpayer top and bottom.
Whilst ever income tax paid by the masses is given as an allowance to the lower paid in society, for profit corporations will continue to pay the lowest possible wages to gain the highest possible profit for their investors.
The withdrawal of the credit should have been planned better, however the introduction of a living wage and a raising of the lower rate tax allowance will, in the end, result in the end of regular PAYE worker supporting business greed.

These are not employed by businesses that are screwing the taxpayer.

www.theguardian.com/money/2015/oct/23/tax-credits-cuts-will-leave-key-workers-up-to-12000-poorer-by-2020

All employed by the taxpayer. They will not benefit from the living wage increase as we appear to pay them more than that. There are thousands more in the same workplaces - just ask Unison.

unsn.uk/taxcreditsmap2

A map produced by Unison to show how many people in each constituency will be affected, and how your MP voted on tax credit cuts.

The living wage will be brought in in 2020 - allegedly - the tax credit cuts start four years earlier

Durhamjen
I do not believe all I read in the media, it is all biased towards each ones political agenda and the level of research and reporting nowadays is terrible. Who knows who will be poorer by 2020? We may or may not be in the EU. We may have a burgeoning economy or we may all be much poorer than now.
A fairer wage structure and a draw back of consumerism is the only real way, however as long as there is always someone willing to do a job on the cheap, and people are being encouraged to buy to when they can't really afford to do so then this will be difficult to achieve.

Sorry, Joelsnan, but what has that got to do with the tax credit cuts?
People are going to get letters before Christmas this year telling them that they are going to lose anything between one and four thousand pounds a year. The tory party has said so. Why do you think there are so many of them trying to distance themselves from Osborne now?

Did you not read the stuff about the Tories who said they should take money away from pensioners now, because by 2020 they'd all be dead or have forgotten? I hope not to be one of those pensioners. I still hope to be fighting and making people aware of how the poor are being treated.
If even Nicky Morgan is making excuses for Osborne there must be something of the truth in all the stuff I read about in the papers and on union websites. They are not warning Osborne that this is his poll-tax moment for nothing.

Heseltine claims if the Lords vote to stop or delay the cuts it will cause a constitutional crisis !

Durhamjen
The issue is not the tax credits, but the way they are being removed before an acceptable replacement is rolled out. GO should either suspend the withdrawal until the relacement can be rolled out or bring forward legislation for a decent living wage. We should not be fighting to keep this credit.

Good, so it should. He's just trying to frighten them. Hopefully the Lords will see more sense.

Joelsnan as a micro business owner, I can assure you that it is not bloated capitalists like me who are profiting from working tax credits. I pay the living wage plus, but quite a few of my staff are on working/child tax credits due to the number of hours they work, chiefly within school hours as it is easier than juggling child care and trying to sort out claims for re-imbursement of the costs. I do agree with those who say that the tax payer should not be subsidising the profits of multi national companies who have staff on working tax credits due to low pay rates, but it is not always so simple for small employers. I do my best, give staff time off during long school holidays etc., but to hear MPs slate employers is unfair; we are not all Phillip Green with our offshore tax fiddles!

Found the map but no explanatory key and no way to check up on my mp (though I'm pretty sure I know how he voted) Can you help?

Joelsnan.
What do you call a decent living wage?
All those people in the article are already earning above the living wage, which is higher than Osborne's minimum wage. They also, being in Unison, work for local or central government, as are many of the others whose tax credits will be removed. So what is the difference between paying them more in wages or in tax credit, if it comes from the taxpayer either way?
Are you suggesting that the government should remove its 1% cap on pay for all those workers? Osborne will not agree to that.

If the government wishes to get rid of tax credits, it will have to pay more to all those government workers to whom it pays poor wages, like the cleaners in Whitehall offices, and teaching assistants, etc.

mcem, if you click on your constituency, you get a rectangle showing the number of people getting tax credits, the number of children in those families, the MPs name, and party, and whether that MP voted for or against tax credit cuts.

In some of them they also show the majority at the last election, which might get some MPs to panic.

'Labour’s shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, has promised not to make “political capital” out of any prospective Government U-turn on tax credits...'

Not much he won't!

Osborne's so-called national living wage comes in at the same time, next April.
If all these families are going to lose out, it shows that the living wage is not that.
The first week in November is when the real living wage is announced. It's higher than Osborne thinks at the moment. It will probably be over £8 next year.

McDonnell said he wouldn't if Osborne does a full u-turn and gets rid of the tax credit cuts.
However, Osborne cannot do that as he has just brought in a law making it illegal for him to do so.
Silly man!

Well, didn't McDonnell know that when he made his statement?

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2015/10/25/camerons-best-day-ever-has-been-and-gone/

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34572807

Another fine mess we're all living with. I could never understand why the tax payer subsidised multi national corporations like Amazon/Tesco etc by propping up their workers but I empathise with GillT57 and people like her who provide employment and work very hard themselves.
I do hope the government U turns as the media suggests it will. Its appalling that the very 'hard working families' this government claims to represent, will suffer most from the cuts to tax credits.
The government claims that the child care provision will compensate but what about the women returning after maternity leave? There is no provision for partially state funded child care for babies of 6 months for example. It'll be grandparents, many in their 70's, who have to step in there.

GillT57
Of course I do not consider micro businesses as bloated capitalist. I too ran my own business working 12 hours a day for 364 days per year and raising a family as well as employing part time staff for 10 years during the 80s and 90s. I took less than minimum wage as salary and paid my staff more, but I still do not think that working tax credits are the answer.

Thanks DJ, that worked well and my mp voted as I expected (SNP).
I find it hard to assimilate these numbers and must try to work it out as a %age.
Will mooch around a few more constituencies to see if I can make more sense of it.
Can't help wondering if the grans whose families may be adversely affected are balanced/outweighed by those who are pleased with IHT changes which will benefit their families.
Do we write off that situation as 'swings and roundabouts' or is it an example of 'de'il tak' the hindmost' ?? (Scots vernacular for 'I'm alright Jack').