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Families where no one has ever worked, nor wanted to, and claim all the benefits they can.

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Gracesgran Thu 15-Oct-15 19:14:57

Apparently, from comments we see here and in some of the media, we all know these families. Do you? Could you prove it? How do you find out so much about their income etc? How do you know they have never, ever worked.

I heard a politician on the radio describing a constituent he met when he was door knocking during the election. He was told he should sort out the women on the corner. She didn't work but all her kids wore designer clothes. They always have new stuff. They were taking the benefit system for a ride. He needed to sort out that "sort of thing".

The house on the corner was in his constituency so he called. The "women on the corner" turned out to be running a very successful online business from home. They discussed how his party could aid this sort of business.

So, how could a neighbour or even a friend know all the details? Perhaps you do. How did you find out? How do you know it is accurate? When did you report them? What was the outcome.

We are told that so many people abuse the system. How have you dealt with this knowledge and the law that surrounds it?

rosesarered Sat 17-Oct-15 13:30:44

It may even be another country.

rosesarered Sat 17-Oct-15 13:29:16

grin anniebach does seem to live in the past.Perhaps it's nicer there.

Alea Sat 17-Oct-15 13:12:22

I didn't realise Tony Blair was still our PM, Anniebach?

Nonnie Sat 17-Oct-15 13:05:48

Annie how should we change the system? What can the 'PM' do?

Anniebach Sat 17-Oct-15 12:54:42

Then change the system I suppose Nonnie, but no chance when we have a PM who publicly named and criticised a comedian for dodging tax but when asked his opinion on a faded pop star who is a tory supporter and did the same, our charismatic , tangoed PM said I think it wrong to speak of an individual

Nonnie Sat 17-Oct-15 12:48:49

thanks River but I still would like to know how to go about the process. I understand it is not illegal to 'use the system' which is what a lot of businesses, including the self employed do so what would you suggest is done to stop it?

Riverwalk Sat 17-Oct-15 12:08:42

Where there's a (political) will there's a way, as the saying goes.

People were jailed for non-payment of the Poll Tax and TV licence, so it can be done for tax evasion.

Creative accounting can get around any law if it's not drafted properly - I'm not a government lawyer but surely it could become law that you pay taxes on sales that are made in the UK, regardless of where HQ is.

Nonnie Sat 17-Oct-15 11:17:47

I posted this yesterday but have not had a response

Nellie how do you think we should deal with tax evasion? What process should we use?

I am posting it again and would be grateful to anyone who can give me an answer? The subject of all these awful people comes up time after time but no one will tell me how to stop them. So many other 'crimes' can be dealt with so I would like to know how to deal with this please.

rosequartz Sat 17-Oct-15 10:08:05

Besides the point whether anyone has heard of him or not (I had but couldn't remember his name), its his take on life which is so annoying and skewed - he's quite happy to take benefits to fund a lifestyle the intent of which is to bring down the system which supports him.

And back to the OP - No, I don't know him personally.
Thank goodness!

Riverwalk Sat 17-Oct-15 08:40:11

I've never heard of him - probably read of his antics but not so often as to remember his name.

I wonder how many of the right-wingers on this thread know the names of say activists in the EDL?

Iam64 Sat 17-Oct-15 08:34:23

I've never heard of Ian Bone either. Why anyone would assume that being to the left of politics in the UK makes you an anarchist or a supporter of people who behave as badly as the gang who attacked the cereal cafe, I just don't know. confused

durhamjen Fri 16-Oct-15 23:31:55

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/15/benefits-cuts-pip-anorexic-mentally-ill

Anniebach Fri 16-Oct-15 23:10:25

Yes Ana, if I had I would say I had and not I haven't, are you questioning my honesty ?

Ana Fri 16-Oct-15 22:58:15

Are you saying you've never heard of Ian Bone, Anniebach?

Anniebach Fri 16-Oct-15 22:55:01

Ana, why is it strange that people on the left in politics are not interested in anarchists? I am 100% against the principles of anarchy , if one can call them principals

rosequartz Fri 16-Oct-15 22:52:45

All the links I put up are from emails sent to me because of subjects I am interested in.

I am not mocking. I do read some links, but not all.
I would not know about some of the things that are linked so it is interesting, but I do read other things and discuss things with people in RL.

djen - I did have a vision of you on the internet reading and posting links and thought I don't know how she does it (timewise), but you say you are sent them in emails - I know now! grin

Ana Fri 16-Oct-15 22:50:37

I didn't say it was 'funny' that left-wingers hadn't heard of Ian Bone. I said I found it strange that they hadn't.

And of course people can read anyone's links if they want to. People are also allowed to make remarks that some may perceive as 'snide'. It's called free speech.

Anniebach Fri 16-Oct-15 22:50:19

I have never heard of the man, but I am a socialist not an anarchist do he would be of no interest to me .

I too find jen's link most informative and useful too , I have brought some matters up at our local party meetings for discussion

Eloethan Fri 16-Oct-15 22:43:13

Ana I've never heard of Ian Bone. Why is it funny that left wingers haven't heard of him? He's described as an anarchist. I wouldn't think anarchists think of themselves as being aligned with the mainstream political left and I wouldn't think many left wingers would describe themselves as anarchists. It's like saying that people on the right of the political spectrum should have heard of some fairly obscure far right activist.

I agree that it is absolutely wrong to intimidate owners or customers of any business and it is ridiculous to complain about a small, independent business when there are so many multi-national coffee chains and the like pushing out traditional and family-owned businesses and charging silly prices. I understand the frustration of people being priced out of areas because of gentrification, but gentrification has occurred because property prices are rising rapidly in the centre of London due to a huge influx of foreign investment - pushing people into relatively cheap and unfashionable areas they would not previously have considered. It is not the businesses that are causing the gentrification - they are merely responding to it.

If people don't like durhamjen's links, they don't have to read them, or make snide remarks. I find some of the links very informative.

soontobe Fri 16-Oct-15 22:35:54

He says he is full of class hatred.
Is that the motivation for some gransnetters?

Ana Fri 16-Oct-15 21:37:35

No one has 'mocked' you, durhamjen, I simply stated a fact.

durhamjen Fri 16-Oct-15 21:11:44

I do not trawl the internet.
All the links I put up are from emails sent to me because of subjects I am interested in.
I rarely come on GN first, and usually only come on because of a link which I think might interest some gransnetters.
Usually I am right, in that some are interested. Others just laugh at my links, but I can put up with that because of those who are interested.
Of course you will only get a one-sided view, because of my interests. Anyone else is allowed to put up links to the other side, if they can be bothered instead of mocking me.
I do not care about the mocking. I have got used to it.

JamJar1 Fri 16-Oct-15 21:06:29

Wetherspoons for his pint and yet so much hatred orchestrated towards a small cafe started by two working class boys from Belfast. hmm

Ana Fri 16-Oct-15 20:59:42

But if you only read dj's links you'll get a one-sided view, of course. It does pay to do some of your own research!

rosequartz Fri 16-Oct-15 20:48:07

anniebach
I have learnt so much since joining GN
There are links to things I never knew existed.
(seriously!!)
I don't tend to trawl the internet much.