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The Privy Council

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rosequartz Sat 17-Oct-15 18:30:56

There was another thread about Jeremy Corbyn not having attended a Privy Council meeting, the first one after he was made Labour Leader.
Apparently, he is now saying that he wants to be made a member before a possible vote on Syria.
The Privy Council exists, Corbyn has the right to become a Privy Counsellor - but is he right in his misgivings and should he refuse to join on principle? Or should he join and fight from within?

I know some people would never dream of reading a link from the DM but this is a critical essay about the Privy Council and very interesting:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3276600/Secret-Smug-Sinister-ve-covered-torture-led-illegal-war-placing-Press-state-control-s-time-kill-shadowy-establishment-mafia-Privy-Council.html

rosequartz Mon 26-Oct-15 23:30:50

confused sorry

LuckyDucky Mon 26-Oct-15 22:26:51

Roseq how can JC have been so short sighted?

How can he credibly lead the opposition, when only looking at the immediate picture?
He reminds me of ignorant drivers who only look 10 feet in front
when they should look as far up the road as possible.

He's not nasty, only unprofessional unused to the spotlight or leadership. Who writes his speeches?

Do you think JC must ought to acquire a demeanour which will enable him to dumbfound editors? Once Labour policies have been
found to be workable and palatable. Then, maybe then, editors will listen, despite initial feelings of rejection and derision.

Am I too simplistic? don't hold back

I'm too tired to think express my thoughts succinctly and, without error.

durhamjen Sun 18-Oct-15 23:18:42

I noticed that Peter Oborne wrote the article. Good for him. Not really like a DM article, but he would not have been allowed to write that for the Barclay brothers in the Telegraph.

durhamjen Sun 18-Oct-15 23:16:13

If there has to be a Privy Council and Cameron is in it, then Corbyn should be. It will be interesting to see if his attitudes change after he is involved.

rosequartz Sun 18-Oct-15 22:55:45

I am beginning to agree; I am not against the monarchy and state occasions. However, this Council seems undemocratic and outdated and far too secretive.

Anniebach Sun 18-Oct-15 22:52:37

The Privy Council is way past it's sell by date , bet it's an inconvenience for the queen and many members

Anniebach Sun 18-Oct-15 22:50:21

If I will what Ana? I do wander off topic as do others

Anniebach Sun 18-Oct-15 22:48:56

Off topic but I do find it a hoot when the queen opens parliament and announces - my government will - - - - , bet there were stamping of feet when she announced her government would abolish fox hunting grin

Ana Sun 18-Oct-15 22:46:36

I will if you will!

Anniebach Sun 18-Oct-15 22:44:42

Then Ana, why not settle for - shall we get back on message ?

soontobe Sun 18-Oct-15 22:24:31

Is the affirmation bit in the opening post? confused

Lilygran Sun 18-Oct-15 22:22:31

You can affirm if you don't want to take the oath. Does anyone ever read the other posts on a thread? Or the OP, come to that?

soontobe Sun 18-Oct-15 22:21:54

x post

soontobe Sun 18-Oct-15 22:21:09

God is the God of truth.

I will stop talking about God as this thread is not on the religious forum.

Ana Sun 18-Oct-15 22:18:14

You may suggest it, Anniebach, of course...smile

I'd still like to know why the subject of whether the Queen ever lies has even been introduced, let alone been considered pertinent to the thread.

soontobe Sun 18-Oct-15 22:17:47

She is given words to read dj.
My majesty's government will do this and that.

Long time since I listened to the Queen's speech, so am unsure what she currently says.

durhamjen Sun 18-Oct-15 22:13:50

Of course the queen lies. How can she get through the queen's speech without lying?

Anniebach Sun 18-Oct-15 22:07:15

Please do not boss, freedom to post within the rules of the forum not of other posters ,you are not in control so may I suggest you get a grip

Ana Sun 18-Oct-15 21:44:40

Who cares whether the Queen lies or not? What's that got to do with the price of fish or the OP? Get a grip...

Anniebach Sun 18-Oct-15 21:20:56

Is it soon? I think the queen lies

soontobe Sun 18-Oct-15 21:01:56

I think the Queen will not have lied.

Not lying is very very important in the Bible.

Anniebach Sun 18-Oct-15 20:36:18

He became a R C after he left office, his wife and children were R C, he could have gone to confession when an Anglican Rosequartz , I do,

he surely has sense to know just confessing does not mean absolution always follows

rosequartz Sun 18-Oct-15 20:30:49

anniebach perhaps became one afterwards so that he could go to confession and get absolution .....

Ana Sun 18-Oct-15 20:30:10

soontobe, Corbyn must already have taken the affirmation (i.e. non-religious) form of the Oath when he became an MP. The Privy Council one is different only in that it's more wordy and makes more of the promise to support and defend the current monarch and his or her successors.

Religion, or lack of it, is not a problem. It's whether Corbyn could bring himself to promise to support/defend the monarchy that's in question.

Anniebach Sun 18-Oct-15 20:26:40

soon, you believe the queen who has spent sixty years making speeches, greeting many heads of state, meeting the public etc has never lied ?