Would you support the doctors' strike.

Here's another one, for those who like bad language.

youtu.be/02eA0QsbszI

An excellent idea near the end.

youtu.be/ED2gEkfAfX4

If you want a laugh.

"They cleared the path for the junior doctor’s attack, which saw him accuse Hunt of “lying”. His brutal take-down is worth repeating in full.

“The stats are wrong.

“I agree with your point, 11,000 people do not die at the weekend. The stats cover Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. They do not die at the weekend.

“If junior doctor staffing at the weekend was a problem, they would be dying at the weekend. They do not. The highest death rate in hospitals is on a Wednesday. You have more doctors on a Wednesday than you do on a Saturday and a Sunday. It is not a ‘weekend effect’.

“It is misrepresented by Mr Hunt. It is misrepresenting and lying, frankly, because when you’re told something is wrong and you continually repeat it, it becomes a lie. He is lying about what is happening in hospitals.

“I am the doctor on call for the next two strikes. I am the surgical registrar, the junior doctor who will be looking after each and every one of you when you come in. I will make sure you are safe. I am the man below the consultant who will operate in you if you are sick. I will be there no-one will be out at risk. I will make sure of it.” "

Did you watch Question Time last night?
This doctor shut Julian Fellowes up as he was saying he would not like his mother to go into hospital on the weekend.

"The government points to a new system for reviewing work schedules with management. It also says that under the new contract doctors would not be allowed to work more than 72 hours in seven consecutive days, or to work more than four consecutive night shifts."

72 hours in seven consecutive days? I would not like to be the one operated on after sixty hours.
A friend's daughter has just had a caesarean. She waited until after 6 p.m. to make sure she got the new shift.

Does it really matter when? It must be outside the normal working day or it wouldn't be "extra" If you want clinics and elective surgery at any time it will take a great deal more money, and the proposed contract will not provide this. I wonder how many of us would be prepared to take on the responsibilities junior doctors do for the salary they receive? Knowing you have the care of hundreds of sick people in your hands must be stressful. We should be paying these people more not trying to cut their salary in real terms.

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/20/iminworkjeremy-doctors-working-weekend-selfies-open-letters-jeremy-hunt-nhs

Just in case you missed it all.

nhap.org/what-you-can-do/facts-fingertips/the-row-over-a-247-nhs-and-the-iminworkjeremy-campaign-a-selection-of-useful-articles/

Three years ago I was in hospital when the new NHSE came into being. It was Easter weekend, and ward rounds were done by junior doctors every day, as they were for the next three weeks that I was in, in two different hospitals.
Once the emergency has been sorted out and you're on a ward, it is no longer an emergency. They do not stop doing the ward rounds at weekends.

So what is your experience of weekends, snowted?

'Extra hours' - yes, but when? Those quotes say nothing about weekends.

Yet anything but emergency things don't get done on a weekend

They do work weekends.

“The NHS staff survey published yesterday shows that nine out of 10 junior doctors already work extra hours beyond their normal contract”—Jeremy Corbyn

This is correct. 89% of medical and dental staff in training who responded to the 2015 NHS staff survey for England said that they work extra hours.

That’s the same as the percentage of consultants who do so.

Overall, almost three quarters of staff in the English NHS say they work more hours than their contract requires. Some of this is paid overtime, rather than unpaid extra work.

From a fullfact factfind on yesterday's PMQ.

I just think that they should work weekends and I don't see why they should get extra pay, health is a 24/7 thing not a Monday - Friday thing

Why not, snowted?

I don't support them

fullfact.org/health/junior-doctors-nhs-and-european-unemployment-factchecking-prime-ministers-questions/

Most of today's PMQs was about the NHS.
Jeremy Hunt has been in trouble today for using figures which were not avaiable to everyone in the public domain.
The main point of argument in the junior doctors dispute is about weekend working and excess deaths because there are not enough doctors on call at the weekend.
Corbyn mentioned 6000; Cameron said it was 11000.
The 11000 figure is from people who have died within 30 days of being in hospital on a Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday.
Since when was the weekend longer than the working week?
Nobody ever includes Monday as part of the weekend, unless, of course, they want to manipulate the figures.
The only people who have a four day weekend are MPs.

Teachers not essential?

Better close the schools down then, and see what happens.
I presume you taught all your children at home, Greymary.

Sorry I haven't read all the argumenst for/against on this thread but I feel that any person employed in essential services should never consider going on strike.
I don't consider teachers an 'essential' service by the way, imo these are doctors, firefighters, police etc..

All of the above Anniebach. Although the "bloody" joke is wearing a wee bit thin now methinks .

Are we speaking of good or poor teachers or bloody teachers

I think it is quite easy to judge a good teacher. Durhamjen even with out official ratings.

Do the children like them?
Do they make lessons interesting or do they just go through the motions?
Do they encourage the children to find out more?
Do they attend work all year or are they on and off "the sick" most of the time?
Do they walk around their classroom and talk to their class or do they plant themselves in their chair and show red and amber cards when the children dare to speak and wonder how they are so fat? (Oops maybe that one was too personal)
Are they easily approachable by parents and children alike?
Do the children do well in their class?

There are many other ways to "mark" a good teacher and destinquish a good one from a "bloody" awful one.

According to Hunt, gillybob, the junior doctors have been offered a massive pay rise, 13.5%, I think.
However, it is only money moved about in the NHS, as there is no new money in the offer. So if one junior doctor gets more for his/her change of hours, another one gets less. That's not fair, is it?

It would depend on who you asked, gillybob, as with most teachers.
Didn't have ratings when I was teaching. However, it was always disheartening when a new cohort was called the best ever by whoever the new head of the department of education happened to be.

My daughter is rated an outstanding teacher, as are several of her contemporaries and friends of mine who have been teaching 35 years plus or are recently retired.
Without exception they love their work and loathe the amount of unnecessary paperwork. All the public servants I know and have worked with, accept we are accountable and have no problem with ongoing assessment/oversight of our work. I remain unconvinced that Ofsted is improving the classroom experience for many of our children.

A primary school I know very well has an intake of 1000 pupils. it sits in an area designated at the highest deprivation of the city. The school has been forced to become an academy, the head teacher who raised the school from special measures to good/outstanding squeezed out and a super head appointed. the super head also manages the sister school in the academy chain. That means 2000 pupils and a very large staff group. I won't go on (and on and on) but will simply say staff moral is at an all time low, sickness rates are very high and discipline is an increasing problem. Staff are resigning without jobs to go to.

In social work, teaching and the NHS people working for agencies are paid at a higher rate than permanent staff. Yes of course, they lack the security of a permanent contract but they can (and do) leave at the first sign of stress. trisher put it well when she said all is not well.

Tried to put a smiley st the end of my first paragraph but stupid "bloody" iPhone wouldn't let me. :-)

Were you a "bloody" good teacher or a "bloody" rubbish one though durhamjen?

In my DGC's school there are quite a few of the latter and sadly only one or two of the former. I believe that the new school they will be going to has lots of "bloody" good teachers which probably reflects their excellent ofsted report.

So are you saying that if the doctors were offered s massive pay rise they would still strike ? Somehow I doubt it .