Attacks in Paris

I saw two reports about it yesterday as well. I don't think it's a case of some lives counting a lot more than others but it's a shock when a terrorist attack happens on our doorstep.

And a wake-up call.

It was reported on the BBC gj and mentioned by several correspondents talking about Paris, but I take your point.

terrible terrorist attack by ISIS yesterday, against innocent Muslims in Beyrut - hardly made the headlines or news.

Some lives do seem to count a lot more than others- tragically.

Precisely rosesarered.

Muslims are mainly the ones being killed and tortured by ISIS, but they will happily behead anyone of any religion!
Muslims in Syria and Iraq are fighting back but need a lot of help.

whitewave you are spot on because one of the points about the IS caliphate is it has called for all Muslims to make their way to countries which are governed by Islamic (Sharia) law.

Agreed,, thank you Ana. A friend of mine came up elsewhere with that % and comment- and it struck a chord (and good to see that it is not that I am 'obsessed' with the KKK- but that thex do 'say' that they act to protect their faith- same as the Huguenots Heritage site I had joined, and who have been pouring anti-Islam vitriol on FB for last 2 days, etc.

Glad we are not doing so here.

Ordinary Muslims have been the biggest victims of IS, so I support the suggestion that the forces which stop IS must be made up of forces from Arab countries. That means both Sunni and Shia Muslims fighting for the common cause. The end result might be a Middle East that looks different to the one we have now, but that will be the price of defeating IS.

This can be backed by UN forces, but different countries with vested interests in the area need to stop leading the fighting.

Some might suggest that IS want us to reject the migrants - more potential recruits.

Is anyone judging a religion here, granjura? I thought we were agreed on the fact that they are extremists and terrorists - that's all.

Gavin Hewitt just told Huw Edwards on the BBC news there is no evidence of a link between the attackers and refugees. Yet the BBC Turkey Correspondent Mark Lowen says a Syrian passport found at the scene of the attack has big implications.

"The discovery of a Syrian passport near the body of one of the attackers has thrown a spotlight back on the migrant route - and on Turkey as the key transit country.

"The authenticity of the passport is still unclear: Frontex, the EU's border agency, warned earlier this year that Syrian passports were being forged as they were more likely to be accepted for asylum.

"The fear for the genuine refugees will be that this case could turn the political narrative against them, fuelling those who say Europe's doors should now be shut."

The death toll is now 132.

Not very logical to judge a religion based on the activities of 0f 0.0067% of their members (assuming ISIS has around 100,000 members/supporters)

as said before, it is like judging Christians on the activities of the IRA or the KKK.

I agree rosesarered, it's now clear that we are free to post our opinions

Have they actually authenticated the passport and the corpse and linked them together - is this still the same speculative story that some parts of the media have been running all day?
ie was the passport a genuine one
did it belong to one of dead bodies on scene, as authenticated by fingerprints?
Whichever way, leaving this kind of evidence behind obviously a deliberate act to try to provoke further restrictions on helping with the refugee crisis.

Well, personally speaking, I'm pleased that LaraGransnet is looking in on us.
Just watching the news, they are putting together a picture now of the terrorists, home grown and from Syria.One of them landed in Greece a few weeks ago and mingled with refugees.

We live in France, been here 14 years and have become attached to the country and its people.
There's been a very big problem for many years with immigrants from N. African countries, which were french colonies. Just look up the France - Algerian war.
Between 1 in 7 and 1 in 10 of the population are Muslim, who are mostly observant and don't integrate. Even in our tiny departmental capital, pop 22,000, there's a Muslim ghetto. The mosque was set on fire a few months ago.
It seems that France has been targeted, as the start of their European progress, by the various branches of Deash because of this.
I've no idea what the answer is, but it helps to know some history.
eg Syria became independent in 1946 following a period of french occupation since 1917.

Good point jings. We are just people and we're upset about it all. Bound to be some letting off steam and getting ratty with others.

Yes. Many French Muslims have a hard time of it. The headscarf thing in schools didn't help either.

Lara the only way to not sometimes get personal on something like this is to not post at all. We are real people talking to real people. Don't expect too much of us.

Ues annie the penetrators will need a base

Seems some of those involved were French

Not many coming here mar France, Germany,Sweden etc have a much bigger problem. It is obvious really that IS would use the migrants to penetrate.

Mass immigration is still happening.They cannot possibly know who is coming here,absolutely impossible.

I think the link between immigration and terrorism, or rather immigrants and terrorists is that, as an example, all four 7/7 bombers were descendants of immigrants - at least fairly recent immigrants.

This is not to say the link is valid as the overwhelming majority of the millions of immigrants in this country are law abiding and peaceful.

Mamark this country did not "allow" mass immigration it went out to encourage it in the 50s and 60s in order to keep country running e.g. NHS, London Transport. Also many, many thousands of Irish construction workers were imported to build our motorways etc. Many of them were exploited badly and still suffer to this day (as in poor health, no pension).
Wondering what is the link in your mind between immigration and terrorism.