Attacks in Paris

Her wikipedia entry says she is an anti-Islamic extremism activist.

That is rather different from anti-Islamic, isn't it?

Wilma I think what Brigitte Gabriel meant was that ordinary Germans did not support Hitler's aims of world domination and extermination of the Jews.

Which other parts of her answer did you disagree with?

rosequartz I suggest you Google her and find out more about about her. She reeled off a lot of facts and figures that I would question.

For example, in Germany the vast majority of voters supported the Nazi Party, not the minority. It's true that there were still many Germans who were skeptical of Hitler when he became chancellor in 1933, but by 1938 that had all changed. The depression of 1929 created poverty and high unemployment in Germany and people lost confidence in the democratic system, so they turned towards the extremist political parties such as the Communists and Nazis. After coming to power in 1933, his party rebuilt the economy and unemployment plummeted, plus the restrictions of the hated Versailles Treaty were removed. The Nazi Party gave national unity back to the German people across every sector of society. Even long after the end of the Second World War, opinion surveys show that many German people still considered all these things to be positive achievements of Hitler. It was the minority who disapproved of Hitler and the Nazi Party, not the majority.

I can't remember what else she mentioned, but as far as I am concerned Brigitte Gabriel is one of the the most anti-Islamic and right wing public figures I have come across.

Right, thank you! I had skimmed through the thread (not actually reading the link - oops- ), thank you for clearing that up!

Sorry, Alea I hadn't caught up with all the thread and was replying to a link that janea put on about an American politician who was replying to a Muslim woman who asked a question.
Now I can't remember the woman's name.

here's the link again
qpolitical.com/someone-said-muslims-bad-woman-delivers-amazing-response/

And then wilma replied that the panellist was known for making inflammatory speeches.

The quote from rose quartz about the triumph of evil if good men (and women) do nothing is one we should all remember.

I can only compare the terrorist group called Islamic State with the Nazi's. A disgusting ideologically drive desire to rule the world and no moral compass. In my teens I believed I was a pacifist. I was so much younger then, I'm older than that now (thank you Mr Dylan)

Let's hope that western leaders, the US and Mr Putin can somehow join forces with relevant middle eastern leaders and crush these people before they murder, rape and destroy more cities and lives. Yes, this will mean killing the Isis fighters and inevitably innocent lives may be lost.

I think RQ meant that post for a different thread?

Rosequartz, who is ?( known for making inflammatory speeches)?
I feel I have missed something?

yes Wilma I heard that too, there are always parents and other family in all these sort of things, terrorists and murderers etc and so many lives are wrecked as a consequence.

She is known for making inflammatory speeches

Wilma As far as I could tell, she just stated facts - which were correct.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

Is it safe to come in?

I heard on the news earlier that the death toll is still 129, not 132 as reported yesterday and almost half of those who were critical are no longer.

I am impressed how quickly the investigation is going. I felt a bit for the brother of the two Abselam brothers who was arrested on Saturday, but released without charge today and was only told today that one of his brother was one of the dead attackers and the other was on the run. He opened his door to reporters and asked them to remember they were still his mother's sons. The family's lives will be ruined by the backlash.

Yes. And apologies from me too.

Was the wrong place for that. I'll be off.

Apologies for that frivolity on what was a very interesting, serious discussion until - well, it wasn't.

<ssh, have they gone?>

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sometimes it's best to keep out- I can assure you.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

I've probably put a bloody sight more into these discussions than you have missis!

That'll be it gj.

Jingle- is that an illustration of

Come up with a genuine refutation, embark on a genuine argument, express some real opinions.

I am not squabbling jingle ,it is dishonest for rosesarered to claim - nothing was stopping them ,when she had said - why have we got all this pseudo Christian mumbo jumbo on this thread

I will not accept being accused of causing trouble when I did not, I just refused to step back from the truth.

I will re-phrase that.

Shall we stop squabbling now?

Oh! Shut the fuck up! The lot of you!!!

I thought this had finished , soon posted verses from the bible, i disagreed , rosesarered said this was not the thread for religion so soon moved to snother thread. I then said in quite a few posts everyone has the right to post their views and opinions and should not be told their opinions were not for this thread , and I still stick with this, rosesarered is wrong to tell others what she considers suitable for a thread