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pacifists/conscienti ous objectors/Jeremy Corbyn

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soontobe Tue 17-Nov-15 08:14:07

I dont get it.

Would they do self defence or not?
Would they defend a neighbour or not?
Would they defend somone at the end of their street that they did not know very well, or not?
Would they defend someone who they didnt know who lived in the next town, who they came across that needed defending?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34832023

Or is it a case of, they are not happy about it, but would do it if they had to?

rosequartz Fri 20-Nov-15 20:36:41

And before anyone accuses me of being right-wing - ask long-term Labour voters who did not vote for Corbyn how they feel!

rosequartz Fri 20-Nov-15 20:35:43

That's because he keeps changing his mind and backtracking.

McDonnell is more dangerous though because he does look so presentable.

However, the British electorate are not so easily taken in - nor are the rest of the Parliamentary Labour Party who are obviously so much more aware than the Labour Party at large of the shortcomings of these two.

Ana Fri 20-Nov-15 20:22:59

Excerpt from an article in The Week following the poll results:

'All of which should be encouraging for Corbyn in the run-up to Osborne's Autumn Statement next Wednesday – if it were not for another poll, this one from Greenberg Quinlan Rosner.

This research, using a sample size twice as large as Ipsos Mori's, found that 67 per cent of voters have no idea what Corbyn is saying: they either don't know or cannot recall what he's on about, or they believe his message is "rubbish" and "incoherent" – or that he's just saying "anything anti-Tory".

James Morris of The Spectator says: "Clearly, if voters don't understand your priorities, or think you are obsessed with nuclear disarmament, they are less likely to vote for you than if they believe you're focused on helping working people." '

rosequartz Fri 20-Nov-15 20:16:09

He is becoming more mainstream now, though, and McDonnell always looks most presentable grin

durhamjen Fri 20-Nov-15 20:14:34

Careful what you wish for, rose.
According to the latest poll, Corbyn is the most satisfactory leader among the electorate.

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Anniebach Fri 20-Nov-15 19:09:17

thatbags, I agree about special branch but I am not confident in armed police , they have killed several with taser guns

rosequartz Fri 20-Nov-15 18:45:28

Sorry - not when - if of course.

rosequartz Fri 20-Nov-15 18:44:31

Don't worry anniebach, John McDonnell would like to do away with them and with MI5
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12005431/John-McDonnell-signed-letter-calling-for-MI5-and-armed-police-to-be-disbanded.html

We would all feel a lot safer then, wouldn't we, when Corbyn & McDonnell win power.
hmm

thatbags Fri 20-Nov-15 18:38:34

That particular disastrous incident doesn't, I agree. But how many, what proportion, of their assignments can go into the same disastrous category? If it is an unacceptable proportion then public confidence will be low; if it is the kind of proportion that one would expect from human mistakes in any potentially dangerous endeavour, then there's no reason not to have confidence in the special force and police.

Anniebach Fri 20-Nov-15 17:32:02

Doesn't give confidence in special branch or police does it

Anniebach Fri 20-Nov-15 17:30:56

Only the police or special branch can explain about the eyes

Alea Fri 20-Nov-15 15:54:51

To go back to Jean Charles, he was Brazilian, how could anybody describe him as having "Mongolian" eyes?? His pictures don't look in the slightest Oriental, so I am confused

Elegran Fri 20-Nov-15 13:49:05

That man is unbelievable.

Anniebach Fri 20-Nov-15 13:48:52

Jen , great cartoon doing the rounds, Trump saying - we must get all illegal immigrants out of our country , a North American Indian replying - when are you leave

durhamjen Fri 20-Nov-15 13:42:27

Trump has an idea to make sure the wrong people are not targeted - to make all Muslims wear ID.
Now where has that happened before?

Anniebach Fri 20-Nov-15 13:41:13

Think my errors will soon be reduced, my daughter just informed me I can have a Keyboard to use with the iPad , I didn't know this - duh

Elegran Fri 20-Nov-15 13:22:07

thatbags, I am now wondering to what activity that definition of iPing refers. The mind boggles at just what could be defined by those parameters!

Anniebach Fri 20-Nov-15 12:54:42

POGS, I thought you were replying to a different post , so sorry.

I quoted what was said at the IPCC investigation - they later stated they were satisfied they had the right man noting he had Mongolian eyes

POGS Fri 20-Nov-15 12:46:00

Anniebach

You won't get any favours either.

If you honestly feel you have spoken in all truth as you state and feel his death was down to his 'Mongolian eyes' you are not implying racism you are stating his race was the cause. That is your privilege to say so .

thatbags Fri 20-Nov-15 12:43:29

Ha! seems iPing. actually a thing! grin

Anniebach Fri 20-Nov-15 12:42:43

I am quite calm thatbags

rosesarered Fri 20-Nov-15 12:42:26

anniebach I have no idea what word you intended to type, what was it?

thatbags Fri 20-Nov-15 12:41:34

"yping"

I rest my case.

thatbags Fri 20-Nov-15 12:41:13

We all make yping errors and sometimes our 'devices' do it for us. Chill, dudes, chill.

thatbags Fri 20-Nov-15 12:40:01

ab, instead of asking people to ignore your typos, perhaps you could ignore amusement at typos (it was amusement, not mockery). Or you could just grow a sense of humour. Calm down.