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grannyactivist Thu 19-Nov-15 01:42:08

'The killing of innocent civilians in drone airstrikes has acted as one of the most “devastating driving forces for terrorism and destabilization around the world”', say American drone operators.

In one major special operations program in northeastern Afghanistan called Operation Haymaker 35 individuals targeted for assassination were actually killed in drone strikes, but 219 other non-targeted individuals were also killed. That's a 'collateral damage' rate of six to one and may include women, children and babies.
theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-assassination-complex/
www.mintpressnews.com/new-york-times-buries-intercept-whistleblowers-shocking-drone-war-disclosures/211023/

Do grans who advocate bombing Syria think the killing of IS forces is worth the price being paid by innocents who also die in drone strikes?

rosequartz Thu 19-Nov-15 13:35:16

So now you suggest a nice chat with IS rosequartz
hmm I think not, but some people may want to

I know, I know, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 19-Nov-15 13:28:56

You got the first bit right ab.

Anya Thu 19-Nov-15 13:23:07

Annie what are your views on IS, their philosophy and how they can be neutralised (in the kindest sense) and indeed if they ought to be disuaded from their views?

Anya Thu 19-Nov-15 13:19:46

mcem that's why I [sic'd] it!

hmm I know I can't turn [sic] into a verb....

Anniebach Thu 19-Nov-15 13:19:04

So jingle, if you dislike a poster - they pick fights but the rest discuss and disagree , oh well

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 19-Nov-15 13:12:22

You should know Anniebach. You should know.

You are always picking fights - deliberately - with people. It's horrible.

Anniebach Thu 19-Nov-15 12:45:10

So now you suggest a nice chat with IS rosequartz, I don't think do

rosequartz Thu 19-Nov-15 12:07:01

Bomb the Middle East, that will solve it

Well, that is a bit drastic, especially as they are busy doing that to each other and even to themselves constantly.
But no, I think it is not revenge, it is trying to get to the source of the problem.

Let's have some negotiation and a nice chat instead shall we?

What other ideas do people have?

And Gerry Adams's hypocritical remark must have made his victims' families sickened:
www.newsletter.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-news/condemnation-of-paris-attacks-by-sinn-fein-branded-sickening-1-7069281

Anniebach Thu 19-Nov-15 11:32:40

Correct Luckygirl,

rosesarered Thu 19-Nov-15 11:29:39

mcem you are correct, but it sounds ok.

Luckygirl Thu 19-Nov-15 11:27:52

I cannot find any way of justifying that level of "collateral damage" - i.e. wholesale slaughter, assuming he figures to be accurate. This results in more recruits for IS, more hatred towards the west and an escalation in violence.

Clearly it is necessary to kill the IS leaders who are brainwashing young muslims but the intelligence and targeting have to be better than this before the action can be justified.

I think that Annie's comments are about the nature of fundamentalism as it expresses itself within any religion. It is very frightening.

mcem Thu 19-Nov-15 11:23:09

The word 'worser' does not exist!

Anniebach Thu 19-Nov-15 11:20:45

Rosequartz, so France have not upped their bombing on Syria since the killings in Paris for revenge ?

Anniebach Thu 19-Nov-15 11:18:59

Jingle, personal attacks are childish

Anniebach Thu 19-Nov-15 11:18:07

So we bomb the middle east , that will solve it

whitewave Thu 19-Nov-15 11:13:51

Their legality is highly doubtful

rosesarered Thu 19-Nov-15 11:11:03

The sooner ISIS are blown up the better. Drone strikes are more accurate than any other type of bombs.As Soontb says, a choice of worse or even worser.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 19-Nov-15 11:09:08

You equated soon's views to those of IS. Preposterous! Surely you can see the that? Perhaps a few more days at a retreat? Get things sorted?

Anniebach Thu 19-Nov-15 11:08:07

Can there be a lesser evil? Or does belief in a lesser evil make it easier to tske a life ?

rosequartz Thu 19-Nov-15 11:04:41

Incorrect grammat in last sentence - apologies.

No anniebach they do not think like stb

People who try to find reasoning behind hatred and bloodlust are misguided.

rosequartz Thu 19-Nov-15 10:39:30

stb had got it right though
The lesser of two evils.

Or should we just give in and accept it and say that it's inevitable? The thought is horrific, but perhaps pacifists think they would be exempt from horror.
Perhaps the pacifists would be happy with Pax Romana - which in fact was peace imposed by force.
Or perhaps they have visions of becoming to be a puppet government?

Anniebach Thu 19-Nov-15 10:23:25

Do you jingle , I do not

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 19-Nov-15 09:59:25

No. I think you owe soontobe a huge apology.

Anniebach Thu 19-Nov-15 09:56:53

No jingle, IS too have a choice to kill or not kill, they believe their reasons for killing innocent people are the right reasons , you cannot deny this , we abhor their reasons and their actions but they believe in what they are doing.

They said the killings in Paris was revenge for France bombing Syria, therefore they believed their actions were justified.

Now France believe upping their bombing on Syria is justified ,

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 19-Nov-15 09:47:47

What a truly stupid, and horrifyingly awful thing to say, anniebach.