What ideas are there instead of bombing?

No names, no numbers, no faces, just collateral damage or as Obama said after they attacked a MSF hospital - sorry a mistake

Brilliant poem

Great post Jen thank you

Michael Rosen: When they do war, they forget how to count

Michael Rosen 27 November 2015. Posted in Poetry & Spoken Word

When they do war
They forget how to count

They forget how to count
And that's how they do it.

They come
They kill

They kill
They go

They give us
No numbers
No names
They disappear them
They vanish them
It's how they do it.

They come
They kill

They kill
They go

Names are deleted
Numbers are un-counted
bodies are un-included
Faces are un-remembered
That's how they do it.

They come in
They flush out

They mop up
They take out

No numbers
No names

No names
No numbers

And it's worth it,
they say.
It's worth it.
Believe us, it's worth it
believe us.
Oh yes it IS worth it
if you forget how to count.
It IS worth it
if you forget the numbers.
It IS worth it
if you forget the names.
It IS worth it
if you forget the faces.
That's how they do it.

But
we're counting.
Watch us:
we're counting.
Listen:
we're counting.
And–

–we count.

Source: Michael Rosen's blog

My suggestions are on page one, roseq. Can't be bothered to repeat them here. Page one is easy to find.

What ideas are there instead of bombing?

Still no suggestions then?

Didn't we all sing D'ye ken John Peel at junior school? Along with all the Welsh, English, Irish, Scottish folk songs?

a popular British song written in about 1829 by John Graves, a friend of a farmer called John Peel who for fifty years had a pack (= group) of hunting dogs in Cumberland. It is sung to an old folk tune, Bonnie Annie

Even sung to the tune of Bonnie Annie

I had better go back a few posts, or has the Scottish referendum reared its heid again?

That's 'yuh', btw, not yee. Just saying.

My comment was not meant to be taken so literally, ab, ye ken?

I thought everyone knew what ken meant.Obviously not.But they ken now!

Was he? He was Ken, and ken is an old word for know, and Beyond Our Ken means outside our knowledge as well as beyond what our Ken knows.

Then there is "I kent his faither!" which is usually said of a local lad who has gone up in the world and thinks he is now better than those he left behind - but they knew his father and are well aware of his humble beginnings. But Kenneth Horne's beginnings are beyond my ken.

Cunning comes from the same root of knowledge or skill, and there is a similar word in German.

I didn't know Kenneth Horne was Scots

Not to mention the folk song, 'Do ye ken John Peel' which is, I think, of Northumbrian origin.

'Ken', meaning know, or knowledge exists in the standard English idiom, 'Beyond our ken' which, as the title of a comedy show, was a pun on the name of the great Kenneth Horne.

Thank you for explaining Elegran

It is Lallans scots, which is English very much as Chaucer would have recognised it. Translation - "Well, you know now."

There is a story that a meenister (sorry, minister) preached one day of a sinner who found himself up in front of God. God spoke of all he had dome wrong, which was a lot, and harangued him for a long time about how wicked he had been, and how he would now have to account for all his misdeeds, which would probably get his consigned to the Other Place. (I wish I could type as it was said, it sounds much better).

The sinner was aghast. OH Lord! he said, spare me, spare me. I didna ken!"

"Weel", said God."Ye ken noo!"

you cannot write an accent ,one hears an accent, speaks an accent

What elegran said is English. Perhaps the Scottish accent is confusing you.

Sorry, I only speak Welsh and English

Weel, ye ken noo!

Then it would sensible if all posters were reminded of this not just a few by the usual few

Because using assumptions as though they are proven facts is slander or libel. If you have any evidence that justifies what you say, it should go to the right authorities, not used as an online smear.

The Green party accused Genel Energy, of which Nadhim Zahawi, of Kurdish origin, is a major shareholder, of "laundering" Is oil.

The Green Party immediately retracted Clarke's comments. "The Green Party and Tony Clarke apologise to Genel Energy for this false statement, which they have withdrawn and have undertaken not to repeat," the statement said.

"The Green Party and Tony Clarke wish to publicly retract this statement and accept it to be untrue and without foundation. Genel Energy... is not, and never has been, a purchaser of oil from anyone."

Tony Clarke had Nadhim Zahawitold BBC Radio 5 on 17th Nov: "There are British oil companies such as Genel Energy, run by Nathaniel Rothschild, one of George Osborne's friends, who are making money, who are buying oil from ISIS, who are putting money into the pot, allowing ISIS therefore to fuel their evil across the world."

The Green Partry have undertaken not to repeat it. That means ALL members of the Green Party - and everyone else!

POGS, why can I not make assumptions about him when others make assumptions about not only politicians but posters?

Further more Durhamjen.

What implication do you mean ? Are you referring to his shares or do you have further knowledge of impropriety.

Anniebach

You too have taken the decision and posted you feel he is involved with the oil distribution from Islamic State, where is your proof.

Are you flying a little close to the wind or what proof do have Nadhim Zahawi is connected to the sale of or distribution of oil from Islamic State other than the link provided which does not as far as I could see make such a direct link as you have made.