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Tory Party Bullying

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JessM Mon 30-Nov-15 10:30:26

I was interested that this sad news story eventually hit the press this weekend. It has been discussed on Twitter for a while but little mainstream coverage.
In a nutshell - a young man who was part of an elite Young Conservative team is alleged to have committed suicide as a result of bullying when he was employed to work on the election campaign team or soon thereafter.
I am getting a sense of deja-vu.
Not so long ago the libdems were having serious problems with allegations of sexual harrassment by senior officials.
Many commented at the time that political parties, unlike companies, schools, hospitals etc, do not have proper procedures for dealing with allegations and possible disciplinary matters arising from them. (or indeed anti-bullying policies) Such procedures are there to protect both people involved.
We are now at the interesting stage with this one. There is a coroner's enquiry going on and an internal enquiry in the Tory party. However there is no clear separation between the enquiry and some of those who might be implicated. Grant Shapps has resigned over the weekend but there is talk that there may be more heads rolling in the near future, including one of Cameron's oldest and closest friend, who is party chairman.
My personal theory is that because career politicians have never worked as managers in a non-political organisation they have no experience of working within guidelines and procedures.
A less charitable interpretation is that the political parties are more concerned for their party's reputation than protecting vulnerable volunteers, staff members and junior party members.
For anyone who wants to catch up on this sad story in some detail : www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/27/elliott-johnson-young-tory-destroyed-by-party-he-loved-mark-clarke

JessM Tue 01-Dec-15 07:45:49

It is not technically sub-judice, if i understand correctly, as nobody has been accused of a crime. This is a matter of great public interest though as party supporter on all sides would like to know that their political parties are run ethically and that they try to adhere to the high standards of behaviour that are enshrined in employment law here and across the EU. The way they deal with people needs to be enshrined in guidelines that are no less clear and helpful.
When i was a chair of governors in a secondary school I used to remind the head that the policies and procedures were there to protect the staff and cover his backside.
Mine too - if anyone had ever accused him of something bad, there was a clear policy that said that I would have to suspend him on full pay. (a scary thought for a volunteer...)
But it is a good example because governors and school leaders have to work together within these guidelines.
There is a more difficult grey area in politics because the protagonists are volunteers of many kinds - party workers, unpaid interns and senior officials who are not paid.
All the more reason why they should have such structures.
I am pleased to hear that the Tories have at least done something sensible and handed over their internal enquiry to a law firm.

rosequartz Tue 01-Dec-15 09:50:58

Have I ever disagreed with POGS? Probably.
Have I ever agreed with POGS? Probably.

Am I allowed to say so? Probably, unless it is against guidelines.

I did say it was not sub judice. It may well never be.
And yes, precedents have been set in regard to cases discussed on social media.

durhamjen Tue 01-Dec-15 23:20:45

Roseq, in your post of 20.05 yesterday you said you are right POGS.
That is definitely agreeing with POGS, not probably.

phoenix Tue 01-Dec-15 23:52:54

O.F.F.S.!

I read (some) of the political threads, but think I will probably not bother in future, because they all seem to end up like this ^!

phoenix Tue 01-Dec-15 23:56:04

PS

And before anyone says it, yes, I probably will stick to posting about cats, husbands, domestic mishaps and other (hopefully) non controversial stuff in future.

durhamjen Wed 02-Dec-15 00:16:06

Ok, then, Phoenix.

Eloethan Wed 02-Dec-15 00:40:19

It's my understanding that the Conservative Party has already admitted that there have been several allegations of bullying dating back some time, which were not dealt with.

The allegations of bullying are bad enough but those relating to the harvesting of information and photographs for the purpose of blackmailing people into toeing the line is a very serious criminal matter.

I hope there is some sort of oversight of the firm of solicitors which has been employed to investigate this matter. Big corporate solicitors (and this is one of the largest in London, with many overseas offices) may not be thought by everyone to be entirely neutral.

JessM Wed 02-Dec-15 07:37:59

A cross bench peer David Pannick QC will oversee the enquiry by the law firm.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/30/law-firm-takes-over-investigation-into-tory-party-bullying-claims

rosequartz Wed 02-Dec-15 12:06:47

I think I agree phoenix grin

(is that allowed?
Probably)

durhamjen Wed 09-Dec-15 19:25:20

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35047074

Good heavens. Lord Feldman was given a dossier on Tory party bullying in 2010.
He must have lied. Who would have thought it?

nigglynellie Wed 09-Dec-15 19:33:44

I'm with you phoenix, and rosesarered, in case you hadn't noticed, and like you I shall stick to domesticity in future! Its much safer, and in every way easier!!!

durhamjen Wed 09-Dec-15 19:36:47

No you are not, because you have written that. Pointless, really.

durhamjen Wed 09-Dec-15 19:38:36

JessM, did you watch Have I got News for You, about Lord Pannick?

nigglynellie Wed 09-Dec-15 19:48:40

Wow Djibouti. I rest my case!

Anniebach Wed 09-Dec-15 22:02:40

The law firm investigating the claims of bully will unfortunately not complete their investigations of the allegations untill after the inquest of the poor boy who took his own life , yep the government know who to choose to investigate

nigglynellie Wed 09-Dec-15 22:31:02

Sorry,l I meant dj, kindle tends to have a mid of its own.

durhamjen Thu 10-Dec-15 17:49:39

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/10/nick-boles-minister-attacks-newsnight-tory-bullying-claims-lord-feldman

Interesting to see whose lawyers win this one.

Anniebach Thu 10-Dec-15 18:03:08

Cameron had full confidence in Andy Coulson too

durhamjen Sat 12-Dec-15 11:11:29

Just to even things up.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/11/david-cameron-urged-to-investigate-his-offices-role-in-alleged-bullying

Tax payers are paying for this.

Anniebach Sat 12-Dec-15 11:24:22

Yet Corbyn attending a Christmas function with friends was second item on the beeb news at midnight and again today. Cameras filmed him entering the building, where has Feldman gone ? A young man was bullied to the extent that he lay in front of a train , not as important as Christmas functions it seems

thatbags Sat 12-Dec-15 12:18:15

I din't see the midnight TV news last night cos I don't have a telly and also becuase I was asleep, so I can't comment on what was said about Corbyn on that programme. But I do feel, in general, that the media is terribly interested in Corbyn because a lot of people are terribly interested in Corbyn because he's a terribly interesting political phenomenon.

Anniebach Sat 12-Dec-15 12:19:26

Radio 4 not tv news

thatbags Sat 12-Dec-15 12:20:56

Ah. Well was asleep anyway.

Anniebach Sat 12-Dec-15 12:56:48

Pity the media wasn't terribly interested in the causes which drove a young man to take his own life

JessM Sat 12-Dec-15 16:06:41

This story may prove to be more sinister than a tale of a single bully getting away with it. Journalists are revealing some of the antics that Clark and his buddies in the YBF have been getting up to.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-bullying-scandal-how-the-tatler-tory-mark-clarke-tried-to-take-over-the-city-of-london-a6770151.html

And the way in which senior tories are trying to distance themselves from this rather worrying organisation
www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/09/eric-pickles-young-britons-foundation?CMP=share_btn_tw