I think this man should be chrged with extreme child abuse

These people are part of my daily life, you wouldn't understand this.

Annieb, what did you mean by that?

The people who need to be prosecuted and imprisoned are not people smugglers
Sorry, but I think they are the ones who are guilty of peddling false dreams and selling possible death.

I'm wondering if any of the boat skippers drown when their boats go down.
I don't suppose they are even on the boats themselves thatbags - buy a cheap dinghy then sell it and a bundle of false dreams for thousands of pounds to a desperate family.

Some people are risk takers, or perhaps gullible, some people will stay in the camps and hope to return one day.

Unbelievable, seven children die and their conception is now discussed .

Dear god, these people have lived with bombing and violence , so they find comfort in sex , stop judging them so harshly please

Him being jailed might be just what is needed to stop these men risking their family's lives in this way.
No, I think jailing the people traffickers is what is needed.

The man is sobbing on radio and pleading with his fellow Syrians not to attempt to travel to Europe. He paid £7000 for a wooden boat rather than a rubber dinghy to try to improve his family's lives.
As many have already posted it's the traffickers who should be charged, they don't do it for reasons other than greed. Where are they living, what are they doing with the money they 'earn' besides buying more substandard boats?

Perhaps their religion doesn't allow birth control.
An old saying - "don't judge a person until you've walked in their shoes" or something like that.
What I still can't understand is why, if they're so religious , they want to come and live among people who share none of their beliefs and ways of life. Why not stay in countries which share them? There are plenty near at hand.

What I have been wondering for a long time is: why more of these migrants are not using the Bulgarian route.
I have been talking to friends in BG and they say that there are a lot of people coming through their country but not as many as I would have thought considering it is the safest route. Some of these migrants are paying a lot of money to pay for the boat crossing where as there are 'ways' on the BG/Turkey boarder where they could cross safely.

Petra, others ways? Do you mean celibacy?

I don't think we can really understand the pressures on these desperate people or know how we would react in their place. One aspect of refugee camps is that there is difficulty in obtaining sanitary protection and incontinence pads, many families have already been in the camps for years.

I assume that 9 months ago they were in the most horrendous situation.
Would I be thinking of having another child. I appreciate that contraception was not freely available where they lived ( even if they wanted it) but as we all know, there are other ways.

So lg, you admit he was risking his own life? Yes. And those of his children.

But that is not the point at all. The point is, he willingly put his children in harm's way. And now they, and his wife, are dead. He could have stayed in Turkey.

No. I think a man with a wife and young children are likely to get better treatment from the authorities, rather than a man on his own.

....and risk his life?!....

He was intelligent enough to learn English,but not intelligent enough to know not to get in a rubber dinghy with small children and no life belts in winter,AND cross an ocean?Come on,

I am clearly dimmer than the dimmest on here. I can't work it out. Why did he make the decision? Perhaps only he knows.

Jingle. Are you alluding to benefits? Just asking.

My post was to grannylyn62 of course.

I think I might have voiced it anyway jings although I could be totally wrong.

Oh don't be so soft. Why shouldn't we use GN as a sounding off place for our feelings.

Try Grannynet.

Obviously for the huge wealth he was told he would receive, courtesy of the generous benefits system once he reached his final destination.

no you are not

asking

I would think even the dimmest on here could work it out.

And no. I am not voicing my theory. Because I think that would be a step too far. Some things are best acknowledged silently. And obviously I could be completely wrong.

Everybody knows Jingles doesn't miss and hit the wall, making provocative comments is adkung for trouble. I am fairly new to GN and I enjoy the cut and thrust of various comments. Until it gets nasty. a, why would you want to post a topic that is going to stir the mud? Of course we have our opinions, but come on, who benefits from vituperation .Granny says Play Nice ?