Cameron's Christmas message

You may think Cameron is responsible fit the crusades nigglenellie, I only hold him responsible for his actions and lack of action since becoming PM. Neither do I agree test Corbyn is a saint.

Your post amused me, you start with with complaining of no civilised discussion then launch into a stream of sarcasm

Why is it that any attempts at civilised conversation always descends into at best bickering, and at worse outright aggression.
Those of us of a moderate persuasion are quite aware that D.C. and his government are responsible for all the ills of this country, probably the universe as well, quite likely since the beginning of time!, we are told this with boring repetition!! We understand that JC is clearly a saint who will lead us all to Paradise, lions will lie down with lambs, families with problems will overnight become exemplary citizens, all national and international headaches which now seem so intransigent, will, miraculously be resolved. But until that happy day becomes reality it would be nice for people to be able to pool ideas and have a coherent discussion without it constantly being turned into a bad tempered argument about figures and statistics which are probably flawed anyway. All that does is ensure that any difference of opinion will in the stifle the conversation to a grinding halt.

To clarify Annibach, what I said was;

I agree that the breakup of the family unit is often the cause but regardless of what you think, there are (troublesome) young people (and I know one or two) who simply cannot accept rules fo any kind

I know you are hell bent on an argument but at least read what I say beofre jumping in !

.....and if indeed "we all know one or two" that must add up to a fair few.

Gillybob, you dismissed the fact that youngsters are homeless because they don't want rules, whilst we lea brains now this has always been so but this doesn't mean such a large number can be so easily dismissed, st least not by me . We all know one or two , I will not dismiss thousands because of one or two

Did I say that Anniebach?

Did I?

.gillybob, if you think the figures given by centre point that we have 83,000 homeless young people and it has always been so also 83,000 leave home because they cannot accept rules then your choice

I am not pretending anything? What is your problem Anniebach?

The fact remains that young people have always left home for several reasons. I agree that the breakup of the family unit is often the cause but regardless of what you think, there are (troublesome) young people (and I know one or two) who simply cannot accept rules fo any kind. It is not an easy "cop out" at all.

.....and I wonder how many of them realise very quickly that the grass is not greener and wish they could return?

Perhaps our resident socialists could fill the empty posts?

Labour MP's resigning now from the shadow cabinet and the front bench!

"Perhaps djen will post a link which will help the confused" ( from ab)
Haha.?
PMQ's was priceless today, and Corbyn looked totally ridiculous.

Not as many as now .gillybob, with many more second and third marriages or new uncles! let's not pretend the fault always lies with troublesome children , easy cope out sorry to blame the child

It is, isn't it Anniebach.

Young people have always left home. Some runaway to escape nasty situations and some just can't take rules of any kind and think that life will be so much better doing their own thing. After making the move/running away I wonder how many wish they could turn the clock back?

Be time for his Easter message soon.

No. That's the Pope. And the Archbishop.

Perhaps Jen will post a link which will help the confused

trisher, the danger is some forget there are so many towns and cities apart from London . Not every town has a centre point or a shelter office, if a youngster is forced to leave home aged 16 and apply for housing they say I am sleeping on sofas in different houses - they are not listed as homeless , these friends houses could be squats and the friends not friends but have taken in a youngster . Doesn't take a genius to work out what happens to them

Yes you are confused Gillybob , I accept I may not have explained fully, pity you didn't ask for a fuller explanation instead of using sarcasm

Oh I am totally confused then Anniebach I thought we were talking about young people who leave home and sleep on their friends sofas not those who attend centres for the homeless, where they can obviously be accounted for.

This strikes me as yet another way of marginalising young people. Once again they are ignored. No work, no homes, hugely in debt if they pursue education and not even counted. If there isn't an outbreak of social unrest it will be a miracle.

I suggest you ask shelter or centre point then you will not feel silly

I am not sure how any government could keep totally up to date with the figures of young people walking out of the family home or moving from one friends sofa to another?

Unless the young person is reported as having left home in the first place how would anyone ever know?

Oh silly me David Cameron should have put tags on all young people so he can know where they are 24/7

Cameron is back to his usual approach on PMQ, avoiding giving straight answers but replying with jibes. What is the connection between flooding of homes and the shadow cabinet reshuffle ?

Not all young people , if they have been in care or are pregnant they can be included , if a child leaves home because of family problems but have not been under any care supervision they are not included , this is the worry, a sixteen year old move from house to house, from squat to squat sleeping on sofas , they are not homeless , they can sleep in a car so are not homeless , the figures are so fiddled it is impossible to know the true numbers

Sorry to be so dumb but is this right? That must mean all of the young people who are homeless are not counted? I am absolutely gobsmacked!!

No, they are not included in the homeless figures Jen, so much fiddling of figures going in

I do not think so, Annie, thanks. The schools were closed, the village closed to traffic because of the risk of the wash from cars going into people's houses and businesses.
Fire brigade and farmers to help.
I took my granddaughter to school as I had not heard about it being closed, and saw people coming back with their trousers wet to their knees, so it was quite deep in places. Then I turned round and came back home with her. The main hill was like a river down to Front Street. The drains were cleared last year, but it obviously doesn't work with that amount of water.
Flooding was one of the main objections to building another estate further up the hill from us! The builders have gone to appeal.

I read something about homelessness yesterday. Apparently single homeless do not get counted in the statistics, so the homeless problem is far worse than is thought.