Cameron's Christmas message

Can't help sorry, Oxfordshire holds no interest for me , I think the university having the Bodleian Libraries is special but would be just as special no matter the county

And is the opinion of the people of Oxfordshire the same as that of the people of Greater London, or Teeside, or Devon, where a far greater number of Virgincare's facilities are situated? There only seem to be a few in Oxfordshire, despite it being Cameron's homeland. What is it about Oxfordshire that makes it so special to some posters?

www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/greg-dropkin/nhs-is-headed-for-devolution-iceberg-whilst-mps-argue-about-deckchairs

By 2020 there will be no NHS.
Yes, this is a socialist talking.
If you really want to find out what is happening in the NHS, read www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs which is no longer our NHS. It is being broken up into little pieces and being sold to the private bidders.

Are people in Oxfordshire happy to have their NHS services run by private companies?
Not a dig; just a question.

www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk/student_nurses_next_to_take_on_government_over

There are going to be even more problems, with both doctors and nurses.

www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk/new_junior_doctors_strike_will_go_ahead_after_crunch_talks_with_nhs_break_down

If you think this government is not trying to destroy the NHS, you are living in a different world from me.

Ah-hem. There are problems with trusts in NHS England.
There have been a few problems with the running of N Wales NHS but it is not in chaos and is doing a very good job for nearly everyone, nearly all the time. Just like most Trusts in NHS. (My elderly neighbour fell down stairs - admitted for 2 weeks and successfully returned home. Her verdict : Care fantastic food awful.)
The Board covers a population approximately the size of Leeds, but spread over a very wide geographical area, probably more than 100 miles from the tip of the Llyn to Wrexham hospital. It is not easy providing the "local" services that people want. Much easier in a city.
I only know one person who had treatment in Liverpool. This is no different to someone in NHS England being sent to a non-local trust or a private hospital paid for by the NHS. Last time I looked this was encouraged in England. Liverpool is our nearest big teaching hospital.
Maybe recruitment in Wales will improve when doctors realise they don't have to contend with Jeremy Hunt changing their contracts for illogical reasons.

rosequartz

Wales is wonderful, we have a first class Health Service courtesy of the Labour-run Assembly

Apart, of course, from the Health Authority in North Wales I mentioned previously which was placed into special measures in June last year...

Wales is wonderful, we have a first class Health Service courtesy of the Labour-run Assembly, which is full of high-minded individuals who only spend money for the public good, they never cream off money and waste it on their own stupid schemes in health, education or any other area.

All the patients, doctors, teachers I know are telling whoppers when they despair, the fact that a whole Local Education Authority was put into special measures is a lie. All these lies have been perpetrated by the nasty BBC which is obviously funded in the main by the English Taxpayer and is probably based in Oxfordshire.

Anniebach Sat 02-Jan-16 19:17:04
I certainly haven't heard anyone complaining about health treatment in Wales , I accept there will be tories who will claim such nonsense but it's just support for Cameron's lies . Anne Clwyd did complain but her complaint was of the treatment her husband received from the nursing staff in that hospital.
I don't even know anyone from Wales who has been in an English hospital. I have a very large extended family and sadly some have poor health, two nephews who are haemophiliac have always had great care, sister with Parkinson's the same, just a few weeks ago another sister had a heart attack, ambulance turned up quickly, she was admitted to hospital , few hours later a second attack, whisked off to a larger hospital and was in theatre that same evening - a Saturday . Will not bore with anymore ailments but we have good health care in Wales and people are not crossing the border in droves

Sorry, apologies again anniebach, you did not specificy North Wales, just Wales in general.
I don't think they are goiong over in droves - that reminded me of when the Welsh drovered (is that a word?) all their dairy cows to London to set up dairies there - but certainly several people I know have been offered a much faster appointment in England than waiting months (or years) in Wales, and there have been reports on the unbiased? BBC about the crisis with heart patients, plus I posted a link from Welsh heart surgeons, it was not just in the SWA.

And surely Wales is not such an awful place to live that we cannot attract doctors and nurses as another poster mentioned?
It rains a lot but so it seems to everywhere these days.

I think it was probably JessM, rose.

Did I say health care in North Wales was excellent rosequartz? Apologies, anniebach I thought you did say that, perhaps it was another poster.

Maybe JessM. But things got very hairy when they shouldn't have done. And his original condition was just a dislocated knee.

The hospital (Withybush) got a very bad 'Ofsted' report.

Money has to come from somewhere to run the NHS, unless it relies entirely on taxation, and I can't see that being even remotely possible bearing in mind what the NHS now has to deliver, so apart from taxation where are the extra funds to come from? DH is a regular patient at our local hospital, and the only conversations we ever have with staff are to do with medical matters. We would certainly never broach the subject of government policy, and no one has ever broached it with us. Quite honestly I can't quite understand why any lay person would want to get into an earnest political conversation with hospital staff when waiting in outpatients or wherever! We get wonderful care, and I'm pretty sure that at no time will either of us be asked for a contribution! So funding wherever it comes from is ok with me.

Apparently Oxfordshire is a bastion of privilege (Tell that to Alieoxon and see what kind of answer you get)

Did I say health care in North Wales was excellent rosequartz ? I don't live in North Wales

Another dig at Wales

Why is that a dig, you said the healthcare in North Wales is excellent, only repeating what you said yourself anniebach

It may not be the same in South Wales, though, however, if you wish not to believe that, that is fine - if you do not live there it won't affect you anyway.

Makes a change from having a dig at Oxfordshire , although it wasn't a dig in fact.

Another dig at Wales

(Apparently North Wales is the place to be for healthcare)

What is this obsession with some posters and Oxfordshire?

You may try and wriggle away from the ' digs at Oxfordshire' ab because you and djen are so fond of doing it. For you it probably represents all that is privileged, wealthy and pleasant to live in ( and parts of it certainly are)But it's a County like any other where we are all taxed the same, and austerity measures by councils etc are just the same.Simply because Cameron has his constituency and a home here has no effect on life whatsoever.Probably the same in Islington, where Corbyn has a home and constituency( plenty of wealth there too!)

Anyone taking a look at the map can see the spread of Virgin's services - all over the country.

You may be accused of having a dig at the West Country

Yes, some are in Cameron's constituency, but no coincidence. Cameron's constituents are not specially favoured. See www.virgincare.co.uk/explore-our-services/ (sorry to add yet another link for everyone to follow)

Loads in the West Country, a whole swathe from Uttoxeter to Hastings, another across from Blackpool to Grimsby and an outcrop in the NorthWest.