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Cameron - friend of Muslim women?

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GillT57 Mon 18-Jan-16 19:56:13

I think that there should be an obligation at least to learn the language and social mores of a country which you wish to make your home. This applies to all races, creeds and nationalities, not just Muslim women as the red tops would have us all believe. There is though an additional issue with Muslim women in that their lack of language keeps them isolated, this may be a religious issue. I would suggest that this recommendation should apply to all of us who wish to live in another country, those on here who live in France or Spain presumably speak passable French or Spanish. It is when you think of it, very isolating to be unable to even pass the time of day with ones neighbours or ask for goods in a shop, and as for explaining a medical problem.......there are stories of Muslim women having to describe, through their teenage child translator, their medical symptoms, if these are gynaecological problems it must be so hard. I dont think it is unreasonable to expect residents of a country to be able to read and speak some of the language, for their own sake and for the sake of integrating into society.

thatbags Mon 18-Jan-16 19:13:45

Here is a balanced article, highlighting and countering silly reactions elsewhere in the media. It is on the website of the National Secular Society: www.secularism.org.uk.

Ana Mon 18-Jan-16 19:01:16

Yes, of course smile

thatbags Mon 18-Jan-16 18:43:41

x posts. Exactly, ana. But where it does help it's a good idea. Education always is.

thatbags Mon 18-Jan-16 18:42:42

The article I read did not say Muslim women who didn't learn English (perhaps because they found it too hard, or were prevented from really trying) would be deported. The talk about deportations was about other people, as roses has indicated, and for other reasons.

I believe the article Cameron actually wrote, which might be the best one to read, all things considered, is in the Times.

Ana Mon 18-Jan-16 18:41:34

Can't see it getting off the ground though. As has been said on another thread, a lot of Muslim men don't want their womenfolk to learn English, or be educated in any other way for that matter.

rosesarered Mon 18-Jan-16 18:35:21

Nothing to do with terrorism, but a good social thing to do as so many Muslim women are kept at home, and how can they fully integrate if they don't speak English?
I think the threat of deportation only applies to those who need visa renewing , ( and is likely to be just that, a threat.)

JessM Mon 18-Jan-16 18:30:57

In his latest foray the PM has announced that he's putting up some more cash for Muslim women to learn English. So far so good. But on the other hand threatening to deport them if they don't get their act together. And implying that non-English speaking mothers are something to do with terrorism.
Baroness Warsi has called this announcement : lazy and misguided.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35345903

This is not the first time ESOL training has come up since the 2010 election.

blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-osbornes-english-lessons-are-no-threat/13776
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13412811