ZIKA virus

Ah thanks JESSM i hope this has taught the old bugger a lesson, I think he thinks he is Tarzan . He did book without asking me I grumbled but thought ok I will be the good wife and go. Can't get through to travel agents so have sent emails to them. I wonder if a lot of people have cancelled. worrying for young women and the Olympics

I heard on the bbc news that it only causes mild symptoms in people, only unborn babies are at risk.
But you could check it out, and he may not get bitten anyway if he takes sensible precautions.
The worst bit will be the plane journey

Re Canada and mozzies - i think they are the wrong kind up there.

I'd go on my own if I were you 5boysnana and have a lot of fun. Not usually possible to transfer airline tickets to another name I think. I don't think insurance will refund either as no travel advice saying grumpy old men should not go there Go for it and have great time!

I have been bitten (head, ankles, legs everywhere!) in Finland as I failed to put on repellent the first day we went there. However, they don't carry nasty diseases there.

The anti-histamine stops the swelling and itching but it's wise to use repellent as well because the mozzie could carry a disease.
I will try Cinq sur Cinq, thankyou for the tip. I have used one called 'The Locals' but not available in the UK . That is good as well.

However, in a tropical forest I think only deet based stuff stops me getting bitten, I don't like it either. Eating garlic, garlic tablets, yeast tablets marmite etc etc doesn't work for me!

Thanks Jalima I have two tickets to Rio and then onto the q m. It's a flight to Paris from Heathrow then onto Rio all overnight in economy ... Return flt 22 hrs flying to Amsterdam back to Heathrow. Worn out thinking about it. Some old chaps like cars the ladies mine it's holidays. I don't think insurance will refund. The mosquito is everywhere he should have thought it out, it is the zeka that has put him off, being a bit of a wuss with health things. I didn't know about taking antihistamines a few days before thank you I will tell him.

I am in the tropics at the moment so have to spray myself down with repellant twice a day. I also go to the South of France in the summer where I get dreadful bites. Thanks Jalima, for advice! I found Cinq sur Cinq Tropicale which is claimed to be natural is good but is the only natural one that has protected me (can be bought online). Other than that it's Deet which I hate. I will definitely try anti-histamine tablets! I would like to see mozzies eradicated as it appears the illnesses they cause outweigh their usefulness to the environment.

I have been reading recently that Dengue fever has become an issue on the Big Island of Hawaii. They have been trying to eradicate it with pesticides, but news came this week that there is one suspected case with a child born with Zita virus issues during the last month. As Hawaii is such a popular vacation place with many Americans, there is the possibility of more babies being born with this condition in mainland USA.

Maybe now the drug companies will pull their fingers out and use some of their millions to find a decent vaccine or cure?

I'm not so sure that Canada doesn't get Mosquitos as I was badly bitten 20 years ago in the Winnipeg area and still bear unsightly scars. The locals said that it was like a cartoon seeing the swarm of Mosquitos following me everywhere.

Tingley and 5boysnan a low dose of an anti-histamine also works well if you are going to the tropics, best to start taking it a few days before and continue all the time you are there. It stops the bites swelling and itching if you do get any, and I use an antibiotic cream on them sometimes too to stop it developing an infection.

I hope your holiday can be uncancelled - or can you get someone else to go with you?!

This mosquito is widespread in the tropics and, yes, it is one that spreads dengue fever. Outbreaks of zika virus have been reported before but not on such an unprecedented scale as far as I know. I think the symptoms are mild in a healthy person (unlike dengue fever) but, of course, the results for the unborn child can be disastrous.

I don't think it would be possible to eradicate the mosquito so health education, vigilance re stagnant water where they breed and the development of a vaccine would have to be the way forward. A U turn by the RC church on the use of condoms would be a tremendous step forward - and not just to help prevent zika virus affecting unborn babies.

Tingley I react badly to mosquito bites too but try to use a natural repellent unless I am going into a tropical forest in which case I do use a deet-based one.

I believe the Zika virus is only dangerous to pregnant women otherwise it is not a fatal disease. Dengue fever is prevalent in Barbados where my niece lives and a friend of hers has recently died after contracting that disease.

The Aedes mosquito is a weak flyer; it cannot fly more than 400 meters. But it may inadvertently be transported by humans from one place to another (e.g. in the back of the car, plants). If it can survive the temperature climate of the destination, it may theoretically be capable of reproducing itself there and introduce Zika virus to new areas.

However, before panic sets in, it is wise to remember that even if the odd MOzzie escapes in this way, it is the mosquito that has to become infected by biting an infected person, not the other way round. The Mozzie then becomes infected.

Although this does not detract from the dreadful outbreak in certain areas of the world, and our hearts go out to them, it is easy to put fear into people unnecessarily .
Let's hope funds are found to eradicate these small but deadly insects...I For one will gladly contribute to any appeal.

I read a discussion recently as to whether or not mosquitos should be eradicated. Ecologists say this should not happen because other species depend on them for food and that mosquitos are good pollinators. Also there is concern that if that were to happen, some other more aggressive strain would evolve. Obviously though there is the question of the life-threatening diseases they spread. There have been some scientific experiments to genetically modify male mosquitos so that they don't reproduce such harmful offspring. Perhaps that's the way forward? Personally I hate them as I react badly to the bites and am forced to cover myself in repellant almost everywhere I go on holiday which isn't without problems - who wants to cover themselves in chemicals all the time? ?

with global warming could the mosquitoes come to Europe, the thought is scary.

I've been wondering about the Pope too, but not very hopefully. After all, the current Pope and his predecessors have steadfastly refused to condone the use of condoms in AIDS-riven communities of Africa, where so many adults have died of AIDS related illness.
www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/30/pope-francis-condoms-aids-hiv-africa
Pope Francis may seem "liberal" on some issues but not on this one.(I think there is an exemption, made by Benedict, only for those who know they are already infected with HIV to use condoms).

And witchygran I can't understand it either.

5boynan55555 men eh?! There were always going to be mosquitoes in Rio I guess and chances of your DH getting pregnant...

Different mosquito to the one that spreads malaria (the Anopheles and the female only). Can't remember the name of this one but it also spreads dengue fever. Nobody's bothered much with trying to neutralise this mosquito before - after all it's just a third world problem, isn't it

I suspect you are correct persistent and, as this epidemic spreads north, funding will suddenly materialise.

It's about time the WHO tapped the 'developed world' for funds to find vaccines, etc for all these tropical diseases before we have another Ebola ir Zika crises. Adopt the scouting motto perhaps and 'Be Prepared' rather than play catch up.

Surely the Pope could grant dispensation of some sort, where contraception is concerned, until a vaccine is found against this terrible disease? I can't for the life of me see how anyone could deliberately allow these poor little children to be affected and not prevent if they could.

I believe science has had the answer to malaria for decades, but it is all about cost. I can imagine once the impact of zika starts moving up towards the USA, suddenly cost will be less of an issue.
Desperately sad for all those already involved.

I was reading this morning that the countries where it is prevalent have laws banning abortions and contraception is relatively expensive. Of course, they will also have poor support infrastructure for disabled children.
They are now advising that men who have been to the countries where Zika is currently to be found should use condoms for 28 days after their return. If they have had any symptoms then they should use them for 6 months after their return.
With the forthcoming Olympics in Rio this could be the beginning of a world wide epidemic just as the 1976 celebrations of American Independence were central in spreading AIDS.

Me and dh were going to Rio tomorrow for. Two days then on a cruise around South America his majesty cancelled it yesterday as he does get very bad reactions to bites. I called him a wuss and other things said cover up I would get him a balaclava and spray him, but no he wouldn't budge. I am disappointed and suitcase to unpack but relieved at the same time. I really feel for those mothers fathers and poor little babies that's real life so sad and now all their surroundings will be sprayed which kills Mosquitos not good for the people children animals etc.

It is a frightening disease, and I feel so sorry for the families of those affected.
I wonder if it's one of the consequences of so-called global warming? ie the mosquitoes that would usually be wiped out by winter weather are now multiplying instead

What a horrible worry for young women. It was heart breaking seeing the new mums with their microcephalic babies on the news last night. Obviously much loved but a lifetime of worry ahead.

At the moment the only option seems to be eradicating the mosquitoes that carry them. It has been done before, with the aid of huge quantities of pesticides, but requires a massive effort with everyone in the country on board. If it was easy there would not still be millions dying of malaria every year across the world.
They are talking about vaccine trials within a year, but they don't have years of research to draw on here - they've just become aware of the problem and only just started trying to develop a vaccine. Completing the trials phase could take a long time.
I thing the N Americans are worried because it could spread to them. The mosquito that spreads it also spreads Yellow Fever and that caused many epidemics in the USA in the past. So much of the USA is potentially vulnerable , but Canada not, as too cold for the mosquitoes.

Looks like they are trying hard to find out more about it. Potential vaccines seem to be being developed but there is so much more to learn about it. I expect bofffins will find a way to reduce transmission but the legacy of thousands of severely disabled adults with colossal care needs must be extremely worrying on a personal, family and national level. Sad sad sad