Gransnet forums

News & politics

Should bureaucracy or compassion be our priority

(85 Posts)
NanaBridget Fri 19-Feb-16 09:08:51

I often wonder about whether the UK civil servants put bureaucracy before compassion.

For instance today's headlines about the 92 gran

A Home Office decision to deport a 92-year-old widow who wanted to spend the “end of her days” with her only child in Britain could kill the pensioner, her daughter has said.
Myrtle Cothill, who was born under the British flag in 1924 and whose father fought for Britain in the first world war, has been ordered to travel to Heathrow on Tuesday for a flight to South Africa.
Mary Wills, her daughter, told the Guardian that officials said she should go back to South Africa, where she has no family, and seek help from the Red Cross.
The pensioner has fought a campaign since last year to stay with 66-year-old Wills in Poole, arguing she has no support in South Africa and is independent from the state with her £300-a-month pension.
“My mother is in a terrible state. She is just shaking and shaking,” said Wills. “It is so cruel. We don’t know what to do.” She added that officials said the government would pay for her flight to South Africa and give her “£1,000 to tide her over”.
“My mother gets a private pension from my late father so she wouldn’t qualify for assistance from Red Cross. But she should be with her family. The heartbreak of leaving us at her age could finish her off and finish me off, too,” said Wills.
“If she doesn’t go to the airport on Tuesday, they will probably take her to detention centre. That will be signing her death certificate,” she warned.
In December, Cothill said: “I don’t want to go. I’ve got nobody there and I am not well enough to travel. I’m very upset. I’m very old. I’m 92. I want to live with my daughter for the end of my days.”
Cothill, whose husband died more than 40 years ago, survived on her own in South Africa with the support of her friends and her local church. But as she got older and her community thinned, it became apparent to her that she needed to be cared for by her daughter in Britain. She has an enlarged heart and poor hearing and has lost the sight in one eye
The Home Office says that Cothill’s application was rejected as her “condition was not deemed to be life-threatening” and that “suitable medical treatment” was available in her country of origin.She has been in Dorset since February 2014 and made an application to the Home Office for leave to remain the country as an adult dependent on human rights grounds.

Sent from my iPad

Anniebach Sat 20-Feb-16 13:00:00

The colour of the woman's skin has not a thing to do with it, you could have given detail of the family without reference to - a black woman

Pamish Sat 20-Feb-16 12:51:16

Yes but. They lied. She came here in a visitor's visa, which lasts two years. They have not made any effort to get leave to remain, so the visa has run out. Did they think no-one would notice?

So we have one set of press responses to an older white woman, and another set of responses to anyone without these valuable credentials. She does not have a British passport.

I don't want anyone to enter the Yarlswood Detention Centre, but if the press were to follow her there, things might change for the other equally deserving old women detained there pending deportation appeals.
.

Maggieanne Sat 20-Feb-16 12:43:52

Anniebach, this family came here and have been given everything they want, whereas many of those that were born here are pushed to the back of the queue. It's well known that many Londoners, born and bred are being pushed out to parts of the country that they know nothing of, yet some can come here and demand to live exactly where they want. Doesn't seem fair to me. And yes, a lot of people are thinking, and now saying out loud, enough is enough!

durhamjen Sat 20-Feb-16 12:34:15

You do realise that this is what Cameron has been working for the past couple of days, to be able to keep foreigners out of the UK.
I do not know why, because they can obviously do it already.

I like the way the judge says that neither the mother or her daughter is "a person of credit".
What a lovely turn of phrase.

Anniebach Sat 20-Feb-16 12:24:28

Maggieanne, what does the fact that the woman you speak of grinning and saying she didn't want to stay in Coventry is black have to do with It? And I think you mean - what is on some people's minds and not everyone's mind

durhamjen Sat 20-Feb-16 12:22:35

www.change.org/p/the-government-ailing-92-year-old-facing-forced-removal-from-uk

Over 80,000 signatures.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/19/deportation-of-92-year-old-widow-postponed-after-public-outcry

Maggieanne Sat 20-Feb-16 12:17:03

There is a petition on Change.org if anyone wants to sign, I would urge you to do so, please. No-one will come after you if you sign but it can make all the difference. All you need to do is put myrtle in the search and the petition will come up. These petitions can make people change their minds and do the right thing. It's not asking much, but it could help this poor woman!

Maggieanne Sat 20-Feb-16 11:47:32

Monica, I won't waste my time emailing my MP, Caroline Spelman, she is a total tory brown-nose and if she is told to do something by Cameron she will do it. She only cares about the party line and does nothing to help anyone but herself and her party. I've lost count of the times I've emailed her about many things and all I got was weasel words. (sorry weasels everywhere, I'm sure you're much nicer than her).

Maggieanne Sat 20-Feb-16 11:42:28

Not good, when you see a picture in the newspaper of a grinning black woman with the keys to her million pound house for her non-working husband and many children, two of whom, I believe are disabled. They even had the cheek to say they didn't want to stay in Coventry but live in London!. I truly believe that people are scared to say anything because they will be called racist but it's time we stood up for common sense now. What will this woman cost us compared to the people that come over here and bring their disabled dependents and still keep on producing more and more children! I for one am sick of this, where we are not allowed to say what is on everyones' mind.

Bez1989 Sat 20-Feb-16 11:20:22

Hopefully a triump by the media
and Freedom of Speech.
We must value it.

hulahoop Sat 20-Feb-16 11:06:41

Suppose they think it looks like they are doing something about immigrants it's a very easy option compared to finding ones what disappear it's same with everything pick on the most defensless disgusting

spallam Sat 20-Feb-16 10:20:31

I have contacted my MP. I looked to sign the petition on Change.org that Lavende mentioned, but I was unable to find it. I am not the world's most able internet user, so would appreciate it if someone could give me advice, please.

Lavande Sat 20-Feb-16 09:54:55

There is still a further legal battle. It is only the flight that has been cancelled. There is an online petition at change.org which I have just signed to support her application to remain in the UK.

This brought tears to my eyes this morning because it is so unjust.

EEJit Sat 20-Feb-16 09:44:54

The order to depart has now been cancelled

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 19-Feb-16 22:35:58

That is a stray question mark there.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 19-Feb-16 22:35:21

Just saying on the News they have put it on hold? It's so cruel. Bloody disgraceful. Poor old thing. angry

mollie Fri 19-Feb-16 22:18:06

This does seem cruel, particularly when you consider that we allow violent criminal migrants to stay because deporting them would breach their human rights to a family life! Certainly not one of our better moments!

Deedaa Fri 19-Feb-16 21:32:39

I suppose some idiot thinks that deporting a 92 year old is going to help solve the immigration problem.

rosesarered Fri 19-Feb-16 20:27:11

Yes, easy targets springs to mind.They can't find many to deport so go forthe ones that we would not mind keeping here.Bureaucracy has always done that.

Greymary Fri 19-Feb-16 17:38:39

That is reassuring annodomini. Anne Widdicombe is outspoken enough to be heard.
Incidentally I miss Mo Mowlem - another straight speaker I admired.

annodomini Fri 19-Feb-16 16:23:45

It seems that she has Anne Widdecombe fighting on her behalf. And the Tory press (well, the Express at least) is also on her side. I hope Theresa May finds the compassion to make an exception in this very special case.

Greymary Fri 19-Feb-16 16:01:52

It's a shocking tale and totally heartless. I just hope the publicity will go somewhat to altering this decision.
Poor woman surely they wouldn't send her to a detention centre, that is such a cruel thing to do..

Charleygirl Fri 19-Feb-16 15:26:46

Unbelievable and so cruel.

Lavande Fri 19-Feb-16 15:03:16

This is unbelievably cruel. I agree petra, she is a soft target.

Would she not have legal representation to challenge this, or has it gone beyond that point?

Granddaughter Fri 19-Feb-16 13:12:50

It is beyond belief, I like M0nica's suggestion of contactng our MP's. I do it straight away.

I am beginning to worry about the growing lack of compassion in Whitehall.