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The Budget

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petitpois Wed 16-Mar-16 12:26:10

Just starting a thread for it - be on in a few mins.

durhamjen Fri 18-Mar-16 16:40:08

I think that's how Corbyn is trying to conduct himself. Some Tories like the pack mentality and behave like hyenas.
I do hope their constituents are taking note.

Daphnedill, I gave that taxresearch link on another thread. Unfortunately many people on here prefer to read the Mail and Express, rather than the work of someone who knows what he is talking about.

daphnedill Fri 18-Mar-16 16:57:50

dj, I know, but I thought it was worth repeating. Surely there must come a point when people start to believe facts rather then the myths they've been fed (hopefully!)

It always amazes me that people can't see the bigger picture.

Not only is it untrue that the Labour Party has been as profligate as people have been led to believe, but a national economy just isn't the same as a household budget.

The UK is awash with savings. We just don't need any more. What we need is for money to be used to make 'stuff'. The obvious 'stuff' to make is housing, which puts roofs over people's heads, provides employment and gets money back into circulation, which also increases the tax take. That's what Corbyn is about, if people could be bothered to delve a bit deeper than tabloid headlines.

durhamjen Fri 18-Mar-16 17:35:17

PQE, daphnedill.
We can repeat that til the cows come home as well, but there will still be those who think it's rubbish, even though Osborne is using QE qithout telling us.

This is scary.

breakfree2016.org/4-reasons-now-is-our-chance-to-break-free-from-fossil-fuels/

The latest Nasa report suggests that we are already at 1.5 degrees, which we were not supposed to reach for decades.
Yet the government in the budget gave tax breaks to fossil fuel companies, and is cutting subsidies faster for renewables.
So much for the greenest government ever.
Somehow I do not think this is considering future generations.

durhamjen Fri 18-Mar-16 18:04:26

www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk/5_reasons_to_demonstrate_on_16_april

A good article here from the People's Assembly.

Gracesgran Fri 18-Mar-16 18:20:04

What is PQE stand for Jen? please.

It always amazes me that people can't see the bigger picture.

I understand your frustration daphnedill but most people will conform to the ideas of the group they feel comfortable with. Remember those awful experiments where the "teacher" shocked the "student" each time they gave a wrong answer or the simpler one where nine people were planted and the tenth - the last - was "real". When asked to count drum beats or similar the tenth would look more and more worried as each of the nine gave the wrong - but same - answer but in the vast majority of cases the "real" person gave the same wrong answer.

The good thing about conformity is that once you persuade a reasonable number of people that, for instance, that the Labour Party has never been as profligate as people have been led to believe the tide will turn very quickly. The difficult bit is getting the "reasonable number" to see, believe and feel it is worth accepting this or, we could say, that black is black and white is white. While they are comforted by accepting that black is white, etc., it is a very hard slog.

Equally, we need to keep questioning whether we are not accepting something because acceptance of it give us comfort by conforming to the group that is "ours" smile

Gracesgran Fri 18-Mar-16 18:21:26

Why is there not edit button! there is an extra that - sorry sad

durhamjen Fri 18-Mar-16 18:47:09

People's Quantitative Easing, Gracesgran.

It means printing money to give to builders, etc., to help with infrastructure, get people working, build houses, green energy, everything good, everything we need to put money back into the economy.

It was first thought of by Richard Murphy, and you will find lots about it on www.taxresearch.org.uk

Similar to Corbynomics.

This is by a woman who gets fed up of the way many people view the disabled.....Nothing to do with PQE. She probably would not have written it if it wasn't for the budget.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/03/18/woman-nails-the-tories-for-their-disability-hatred-in-epic-twitter-thread/

durhamjen Fri 18-Mar-16 18:50:11

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2015/09/02/standard-poors-say-the-pqe-could-pay-a-250-return/

For those who think it could not possibly work, Standard and Poor think it will work brilliantly.

Gracesgran Fri 18-Mar-16 18:56:53

I am all for PQE or - as I would call it - the normal way to run a business smile. I just didn't relate it to the initials. I had been talking to my daughter for about an hour prior to coming on here - she's a teacher - and I couldn't get passed the possibility of past qualifications excepted grin

Off to read your link.

durhamjen Fri 18-Mar-16 19:01:39

Thank you. You made me laugh out loud, and I am on my own, so it's not something I often do.
In fact, never in relation to this government.

daphnedill Fri 18-Mar-16 19:04:32

Good points, Gracesgran :-) I guess it must have been similar trying to persuade people that the earth isn't flat and isn't the centre of the universe.

durhamjen Fri 18-Mar-16 22:22:06

Iain Duncan Smith has resigned.

I think it deserves to be put on at least two threads.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/18/iain-duncan-smith-resignation-letter-in-full

whitewave Fri 18-Mar-16 22:27:21

If the budget falls will Gideon resign?

whitewave Fri 18-Mar-16 22:34:49

Interesting his letter talks about the unfairness of the cuts just as Corbyn did in his reply to the budget speech.

durhamjen Fri 18-Mar-16 22:38:43

Corbyn has suggested that Gideon should follow him.

whitewave Fri 18-Mar-16 22:42:18

Well I am not clear how he can continue. Budget after budget has been a cock up. None if the fiscal targets he has set himself have been met. He is the most incompetent chancellor ever to grace the House.

whitewave Fri 18-Mar-16 22:55:11

Did I read that the cuts to PIP have been dumped?

WilmaKnickersfit Fri 18-Mar-16 22:58:29

I don't think it's been formally announced yet, but I think they have - 'kicked in to the long grass' is the phrase being used.

whitewave Fri 18-Mar-16 23:00:39

So hows he going to met his fiscal targets? Always assuming he will actually met one eventually.

He is going - he has to

WilmaKnickersfit Fri 18-Mar-16 23:01:19

I think GO will hang on as long as DC is there, but he could have his wings clipped. The Tories can't afford to remove him because almost every policy is connected to his austerity planning.

WilmaKnickersfit Fri 18-Mar-16 23:04:39

I haven't got a clue, but there was serious doubts about how he was going to do that anyway. It will need someone to pin him down to expose the details. It's a very strange situation when the government is accused of having a black hole of billions of pounds and nothing seems to be happening.

whitewave Fri 18-Mar-16 23:05:28

What a bloody mess.

Looks like BC is a shoe-in - God we will be the laughing stock.

durhamjen Fri 18-Mar-16 23:08:22

Something to cheer us all up.

games.usvsth3m.com/slap-george-osborne/

whitewave Fri 18-Mar-16 23:13:17

grin

durhamjen Fri 18-Mar-16 23:18:58

He only had a fifty/fifty chance of hitting his target, according to the IFS.
That was before the IDS debacle.