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Anti Semitism in Labour Party and Universities.

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POGS Thu 17-Mar-16 12:12:56

I am raising this as a separate conversation although it has been mentioned on another thread re the Muslim Female Councillors and reports of Mysogyny.

It is worrying to know Anti Semitism is reportedly rising in the UK . When a Political Party is facing accusations of Anti Semetism that becomes a major issue. Now my comment will be challenged but I for one have been asking how such blatent cases of Anti Semitism are being allowed in the UK. We have laws to handle it but they are not being used, why? I will most certainly be happy to say that I do not believe for one minute the majority of Labour MP's nor voters are Anti Semetic, quite the reverse, but is it time voices spoke out against Anti Semitism or at least understood it is an issue within some parts of the Labour Movement.

I have noticed this tendancy from certain Labour MP's and groups they belong to for many years but they were always under the radar and not thought 'influencial' enough, however times have changed. Labour run councils have used Anti Semetic behaviour over issues such as Flying the Palestinian Flag over Tower Hamlets , Calls for boycotting of Israeli goods, banning Jewish films etc. etc.

There is no doubt more interest being taken by the media over such matters and there are calls for Corbyn to show leadership over the actions of the Labour Party activism at Oxford University , indeed something is going radically wrong with our universities full stop an entire thread could be dedicated to that topic alone. I am not talking of racist tweets such as those made by MP's such as Dianne Abbot , Helen Goodman et al. Whilst they are relevant it would just dissolve into a tit for tat fest of he said she said to the left and right of politics. There are idiots in all party's !

I am not , and some will not believe a word of what I am about to say, trying to score a political point. I take my hat off to those Labour MP's who are speaking openly about this problem and calling for action from their Leader. This is not some right wing rag hyperbol taking place but there is something of a 'menacing ' tendency in some quarters of the Party and I hope those MP's who are doing their damnedest to openly stop it's progression do not fail or as some have eluded to run the risk of deselection for speaking out, that's another thread story too.

Anniebach Mon 28-Mar-16 18:05:13

The Labour Party who are accused of having anti Semitic members , so many it has caused a thread to be started on the subject. 2010 party leadership was held and two Jews received the highest number of votes - fellow MP's, unions, party members ,

Alea Mon 28-Mar-16 17:50:06

It has sailed pretty close to the wind on several occasions while still managing ever decreasing circles. A nautical first ?
hmmhmm

Penstemmon Mon 28-Mar-16 17:49:16

GNHQ I am trying hard to keep it a debate!!

BeccaGransnet (GNHQ) Mon 28-Mar-16 17:46:41

Hi everyone - we have had a few reports about this thread now. We feel it would be a real shame to shut down the debate, so with that in mind, can we please keep things civil. Thank you all.

Penstemmon Mon 28-Mar-16 17:46:35

Yes! If the attutudes are racist they should not be party members and certainly not in any position to speak for the party. Why would anyone just 'dislike' a group of people?? You might dislike a person who is Jewish/Muslim/Black and that may not be racism but if you generally dislike any Jew/Muslim/black person that implies racism to me!confused

Anniebach Mon 28-Mar-16 17:39:46

So if those who dislike Jews should be sacked should the same happen to those who dislike Muslims? Is dislike racism?

daphnedill Mon 28-Mar-16 17:34:53

TriciaF, Thanks for your info about Polish Jews. The first time I really thought about it was when I went to a talk after a showing of a film about the 'Kindertransport'. The speaker is quite a well-known Reform Jew and got us to discuss the reasons for hatred of Jews. He pointed out that many of those murdered were secular and were only part-Jewish because there was quite a lot of intermarriage. One of points he made was that Polish (and other Eastern European) Jews were poor, so the stereotype of Jews being rich bankers and world power seekers just didn't apply. His conclusion was that it was racism.

Penstemmon Mon 28-Mar-16 17:31:57

I have just read the link re Muslim women. I had not seen it before. (I was trying to give up social media for Lent!) Of course it should not be happening and people in the Labour Party who have the postion to challenge this must do so. No defence for the indefensible. Equality underpins socialism..if people joining Labour do not realise that then again more needs to be done to make sure thoe joining fully support core principles. I guess there will always be disagreements on how to achieve things but core values are non negotiable.

petra Mon 28-Mar-16 17:27:30

Ana. Well done for re posting that. At least some people can't say they didn't see it.

Penstemmon Mon 28-Mar-16 17:23:45

I totally disagree Tricia F there should be no place for racists in the Labour party and and disliking Jews for being Jews is racist in my book. I am a member of the Labour Party.

obieone Mon 28-Mar-16 17:23:26

It is not off-topic TriciaF. It is bang on topic as the same thing is happening on this thread too.

The love of the Labour Party blinds some to things that go on in it. Or else it trumps other problems and issues. I cant decide which.

How people have such devotion and commitment to a political Party is beyond me, but everyone is different.

Anniebach Mon 28-Mar-16 17:22:42

Ana, if I said I didn t see the thread I didn't see it or did not really see it, I find your post offensive

Anniebach Mon 28-Mar-16 17:20:15

I don't think they should be banned. If they were banned what of other MP's from all parties who have problems with different races and cultures , unless they have broken the law but if they had they would be out anyway . Racism is wrong no matter the race

Ana Mon 28-Mar-16 17:17:12

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1224230-Newsnight-Labour-Muslim-Women-Councillors?pg=1

Here you are Annie if you really didn't see it. Strangely enough, none of the other Corbynites commented either.

Sorry, Tricia, but I couldn't let that pass.

TriciaF Mon 28-Mar-16 17:10:42

Sorry - that post is entirely off-topic.
To return - I'm a member of the Labour Party, but don't think anti-semitic MPs should be banned from the party. It's no good trying to banish those attitudes, they will always exist and need to be fought by education.

Anniebach Mon 28-Mar-16 17:07:56

I didn't read a thread on Muslim women so cannot comment, why do Jewish women need defending? Are they oppressed ? the one's I know are not

TriciaF Mon 28-Mar-16 17:06:51

Annie - that's one of the characteristics of Jewish people. They were scattered all over the world, and absorbed the nature and customs of the country they ended in. Some became completely assimilated, others hung on to their religion. That's the way they survive.
eg there are many different styles of Jewish cooking, and
Jewish clothing.The yiddish language is a mix of hebrew and the language of whatever country they live in.
Jews aren't downtrodden in many countries - eg Morocco, the 'Stans.

obieone Mon 28-Mar-16 17:02:46

The muslim women thread. Jews now seem low priority in the Labour Party too. I shall not even think about the status of Jewish women. If muslim women are not to be defended, Jewish women are not by certain people.

petra Mon 28-Mar-16 17:02:16

Obieone. How true.

Anniebach Mon 28-Mar-16 16:49:17

Confusing, are you speaking of polish jews, French Jews, German Jews when you speak of down trodden people ? Or the entire race ?

obieone Mon 28-Mar-16 16:44:52

In certain quarters, only certain downtrodden people matter.

obieone Mon 28-Mar-16 16:42:48

Agree with rosesarered. There are one or two posters who would rather defend the Labour Party than deal with the Labour Party. Exact same thing happened on the muslim women thread, which I will remember for a very long time, as that thread was even worse.

obieone Mon 28-Mar-16 16:39:11

The Jewish leaders demanded of the Romans, that Jesus be put to death

www.gotquestions.org/responsible-Christ-death.html

rosesarered Mon 28-Mar-16 16:28:15

Another snide comment from anniebach .....

rosesarered Mon 28-Mar-16 16:24:24

I did say that one or two gransnetters had been interested to find out what is going on.... One or two.