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POGS Thu 17-Mar-16 12:12:56

I am raising this as a separate conversation although it has been mentioned on another thread re the Muslim Female Councillors and reports of Mysogyny.

It is worrying to know Anti Semitism is reportedly rising in the UK . When a Political Party is facing accusations of Anti Semetism that becomes a major issue. Now my comment will be challenged but I for one have been asking how such blatent cases of Anti Semitism are being allowed in the UK. We have laws to handle it but they are not being used, why? I will most certainly be happy to say that I do not believe for one minute the majority of Labour MP's nor voters are Anti Semetic, quite the reverse, but is it time voices spoke out against Anti Semitism or at least understood it is an issue within some parts of the Labour Movement.

I have noticed this tendancy from certain Labour MP's and groups they belong to for many years but they were always under the radar and not thought 'influencial' enough, however times have changed. Labour run councils have used Anti Semetic behaviour over issues such as Flying the Palestinian Flag over Tower Hamlets , Calls for boycotting of Israeli goods, banning Jewish films etc. etc.

There is no doubt more interest being taken by the media over such matters and there are calls for Corbyn to show leadership over the actions of the Labour Party activism at Oxford University , indeed something is going radically wrong with our universities full stop an entire thread could be dedicated to that topic alone. I am not talking of racist tweets such as those made by MP's such as Dianne Abbot , Helen Goodman et al. Whilst they are relevant it would just dissolve into a tit for tat fest of he said she said to the left and right of politics. There are idiots in all party's !

I am not , and some will not believe a word of what I am about to say, trying to score a political point. I take my hat off to those Labour MP's who are speaking openly about this problem and calling for action from their Leader. This is not some right wing rag hyperbol taking place but there is something of a 'menacing ' tendency in some quarters of the Party and I hope those MP's who are doing their damnedest to openly stop it's progression do not fail or as some have eluded to run the risk of deselection for speaking out, that's another thread story too.

nigglynellie Sun 27-Mar-16 14:47:14

I'll leave you all to get on with your discussion then.

Anniebach Sun 27-Mar-16 14:45:45

With you Penstemmon, and no way do I accept Corbyn is a racist

Anniebach Sun 27-Mar-16 14:44:28

Nothing to forgive nigglenellie, you wish to discuss anti sentiment in the Labour Party as does POGS who started this thread , I accept there is racism in every walk of life, I abhor racism . No idea what you mean by insult, I see no insult , sorry

Penstemmon Sun 27-Mar-16 14:29:47

As a membr of the Labour Party I clearly state that I want any member guilty of anti semetic behaviour ousted. I am a proud supporter of Palestine

nigglynellie Sun 27-Mar-16 13:57:20

Forgive me, I don't understand what you're getting at?! My remark was, for the sake of clarity, that I couldn't discuss the whys and wherefore of the labour party on any subject with anyone as I'm ignorant of the workings of this party whether discussing with POGs or Corbyn himself. Reason being that I'm not, or ever likely to be a member, and therefore not competent to discuss it with anyone at all. I hope this is clear. Incidentally, why do you always take everything as a personal insult to you where none is intended?!

Anniebach Sun 27-Mar-16 13:39:10

I suggest you discuss it with POGS nigglenellie, I have only been a member of the Labour Party for fifty years

nigglynellie Sun 27-Mar-16 13:34:04

ab stop it- please! There are rights and wrongs on both sides, which Venus readily accepts, so let's just leave it at that. I can't possibly say whether anti sematism is rife in the labour party, which I think was the original OPs question. I don't know enough about it apropos the labour party as that party are of no interest to me.

Anniebach Sun 27-Mar-16 13:25:49

Corbyn's terrorists friends Venus? Mo Molam was accused of having terrorist friends and Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist for years

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

I am sorry you have suffered racism, it has obviously scarred you

Anniebach Sun 27-Mar-16 13:21:21

Thank you Daphnedill for posting the link , I see Venus excuses the attack , I cannot

Anya Sun 27-Mar-16 12:57:03

Yes, I was correct in my earlier post. No hope the future in this area then. Let's just hope these two nations keep their spleen themselves and don't drag in the rest of the world.

Venus Sun 27-Mar-16 12:31:29

I asked for links to the hospital bombing so how could I claim it never happened? I guess your links must be better then the info I see, as you dispute what I post. I will defend anything I write, same as you.

POGS is right, let's leave the contentious issue of the rights and wrongs of the bad Israelis, who's medicines and technology you are not disinclined to use every day and talk about the Corbyn, the Labour Party and his terrorist friends.

However, I won't be, as I'm out for a quiet lunch now.

nigglynellie Sun 27-Mar-16 12:17:06

I don't think you'll get many takers POGS! Too much antagonism, and downright rudeness so best avoided.

POGS Sun 27-Mar-16 12:10:47

And still the OP is not discussed. Sigh.

Start an effing thread that discusses the rights and wrongs of the Israel/Palestine problems please, please, please .

daphnedill Sun 27-Mar-16 12:04:24

Are you a newly appointed mod, nigglynellie?

The problem is that Venus has posted nonsense and can't defend herself when challenged. Do you agree that people should be allowed to spread myths and lies?

Maybe you live in the kind of world where people should be allowed to spout rubbish and get away with it, but I don't.

nigglynellie Sun 27-Mar-16 11:58:20

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daphnedill Sun 27-Mar-16 11:56:58

Errrrmmm....you must have a different version of Wiki from me!

daphnedill Sun 27-Mar-16 11:55:49

What a shame, Venus! It would have been interesting to have had a grown-up talk about anti-Semitism. Who's preaching you?

daphnedill Sun 27-Mar-16 11:54:18

I provide links and I acknowledge them as links. I don't copy and paste other people's words and pass them off as my own.

daphnedill Sun 27-Mar-16 11:53:14

The source of the rockets which hit the hospital is disputed. It wouldn't be the first time one side in a war has lied. In any case, I thought you claim that the attack didn't happen.

Venus Sun 27-Mar-16 11:37:55

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trisher Sun 27-Mar-16 11:34:10

Venus please stop drawing absurd conclusions. Disapproving of Israel's actions is not 'hatred of Israel". I believe that it is important to act to support anyone, regardless of race, colour or religion, whose human rights have been ignored or threatened.
daphnedill thanks for the link a horrific story but I have no doubt Venus will attempt to justify what happened- terrorists under the hospital beds, dead and wounded children -Hammas in disguise?

daphnedill Sun 27-Mar-16 11:19:35

MSF hospital in Gaza attack. No need to be puzzled any more.

www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news-stories/press-release/gaza-msf-strongly-condemns-attack-al-shifa-hospital

obieone Sun 27-Mar-16 11:18:53

People should forgive, yes.

daphnedill Sun 27-Mar-16 11:13:01

How do you work out that Gaza is a huge chunk of land? This is getting silly. Have you seen a map of Israel? Gaza is tiny.

Venus Sun 27-Mar-16 11:11:55

Annibach, the only reference I can find to your post concerning the bombing of the MSF hospital appears to have happened to a hospital in Afghanistan by the US military. I failed to see what that has to do with Israel?

I'm puzzled by your allegation that Israel was involved in that.