The Tipping Point

Despite attempts by a few on here to throw irrelevant spanners in the works, I am glad that many of us can see what is happening to the NHS and education. It honestly frightens me, what will happen to those who will age into this depleted NHS and dont have funds to pay for private medical care? I am stunned that people just cannot see what is going on under their noses; just watch the local news in whatever region you live and you will undoubtedly hear reports of GP surgeries having to close patient lists as they are unable to recruit new doctors. Even if you are a staunch supporter of the Tory Government, surely you should be concerned at what is happening all around you? Even if you dont know of anyone with mental health problems, have all of your family and friends safely and comfortably housed, and even if all of your children have been privately educated...surely even in this sheltered world you must visit the GP and see the effects of the reduction in doctor training? This goes beyond personal politics, it is about the whole fabric of this country and we should all be concerned. Stupid comments about Diane Abbott's choices for her childrens' education are an example of falling for the propaganda. Just wake up and smell the coffee.

My husband works in the nuclear industry. Because of the problem with education ,degrees,lack of engineers there is a big skills gap with many jobs being unable to be filled as the right candidates are not available. Forward a few years and the potential of what may happen does not bear thinking about. It's not only teachers,doctors,and nurses that hold the country together.

Muslim wives?!!

Bed blocking is caused by the lack of after care

Just look at the state of the home helps/carers 'service' now in private hands, with these 15 minute flying visits.

Also the Wheelchair service is awful now that has been privatised. It used to be second to none when NHS, couldn't fault it, absolutely marvellous, they were so helpful, but now it is shocking. My husband was referred for an 'urgent' assessment and it was over a year before he was seen, God help those waiting for an 'ordinary' assessment. He then went into hospital and they did not want to discharge him without a new wheelchair but we had to insist they did, due to this previous experience. This was around this time last year, and he would still be in there as no new wheelchair as yet. This is how beds get blocked, so where are the savings? Shocking.

At least get the facts right niggly ,

Wonderful cop out, blaming the wife!!!!

Thank you trisher for your answer, why is asking that question derailing the debate, surely it's a valid query, not hostile in any way, or is questioning the oppositions methods for resolving financial problems taboo now? Fair enough! It's no more than I expected!

Perhaps because the left wingers need a wake up call.

I would almost ( but not quite) like to see Corbyn and friends get in at the next GE just to see what some people have to say as the country falls apart in a spectacular manner.Will Saint Jeremy save us? A big fat NO.

The right wingers are determined to reflect from the topic , again

State education and the NHS are NOT crumbling, what a doom laden thread this is, wallowing in misery.
A ton of money has been put into education over the last 20 years, ditto the NHS.
Numbers using these facilities has risen( nothing we can control now.) However, there have been complaints about the NHS for years, and there are always good schools and poor schools, always have been, but doesn't mean these things are crumbling.

Don't worry niggly it's just the usual suspects way of trying to wriggle out of the fact that Corbyn didn't send his children to the local comp.Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative MP's ALL do what is right for themselves and think the general public can go hang.
If you have strong principles on education, and you are an MP then it makes you a hypocrite not to stick with them ( and later blame your wife!)

State education and the NHS are crumbling , fact

NfkDumpling interesting thought that the issues with education go back to New Labour and the blurring of the different approaches. Certainly there have been issues for years but I am not sure if it is for that reason or rather only that reason. I think government after government has interfered in both education and health in a way which is not their remit.

I've ignored the JC should have put his foot down line-it was a joke wasn't it?

nigglynellie are you still trying to derail the subject of this debate? We could cover the cost of the NHS and the education sector if we closed the tax loopholes and made sure the rich paid proper contributions rather than constantly adjusting things in their favour. But you seem to have fallen for the conservative line of 'we can't afford it'.

I'm surprised by the putting the foot down comment too. My DH and I have different views on selective education. Our DC had the choice of going to a local grammar or a local comprehensive, and the choice was made via discussion and compromise, but mainly by listening to what they wanted. The type of relationship where someone decides on behalf of the rest of the family without taking their views into consideration should be long gone.

Make dominance?!! You know I didn't ab, but we'll agree to differ. What's your opinion about the Muslim ladies though? Just out of interest!!

Niggly, one small fact, Corbyn did not choose the private sector for his children's schooling yet you claimed he did , then declared he should have put his foot down when his wife chose a grammer school and he a comprehensive , I accept you enjoy disagreements so will not continue with this . You spoke out supporting make dominance , your choice.

ab you, as always completely misunderstand the point I'm making which is that certain politicians are vociferous in their condemnation of the private sector and yet, when it suits, use it themselves and justify it! Hypocritical or what!! I have never said that I liked or approved of domineering men, equally I don't like wimps!!
I noticed that you were very quiet on the thread about the dominance of Muslim men over their women, so matter how many times your opinion was asked you were strangely silent!
As for the NHS and the education systems. Apart from increased taxation, how are these two seemingly bottomless pits to be financed. Genuine answers please.
Lastly, provided that I don't break any house rules gracesgran, I can post what I like without reference to you, or anyone else come to that, as can anyone who chooses to comment on this thread.

Anya, I am sorry you are sadden, but I did not attack niggly, I am surprised that you are upset considering niggly's two posts, the first claiming Corbyn had chosen not to send his children to state schools , the second saying he should have put his foot down when his wife chose a grammar school . Niggly didn't even have the honesty to say she was mistaken with her claims , as for her views on male dominance in the home , I do not share them , it shocked me to read it and I am sadden that on a forum where members speak out against male dominance in some Muslim homes you support a poster who advocates male dominance in a marriage

My DD1 quit teaching 20 years ago. The rot has been long and insidious. New Labour, I believe, should carry much of the blame as we lost the balance in government. There ceased to be any strong opposition, just three varying degrees of right wing parties. I am not, and never have been a socialist, but we need both right and left wing parties to maintain our sort of government. I just hope Mr Corbyn is stronger than he seems.

Annie I am saddened by your attack on Niggly - this is not the way that a reasoned political debate should be.

Some teachers are not in the position where they are simply able to leave their current position. Yes, jobs are easy to find in the profession with falling numbers of teachers and rising numbers of pupils, but as virtually all schools are under the same pressures and régimes there is little to be gained by moving to a different school. A complete change of career is very difficult. when you have a family, a mortgage and such commitments.

But, yes, the teaching profession is about to implode and our education system with it.

We could add the housing policy as well to the tipping point.