Hillsborough verdict

Did he do it deliberately?

Who gave him a job he wasn't up to?

He was the man giving the orders though jings so of course he should be criminalised.

Pheww daphnedill just goes to show if you have the dodgy handshake you could quite literally get away with murder !

I feel very sorry for the fans who were in the stadium for the advised fifteen minutes before the match started. They must have been the ones at the front.

I can't see any reason to criminalise Duckenfield for the way he handled things. He made mistakes, big mistakes. But he had a big job.

The cover-up is a different matter.

Quoting Juggernaut "I quite deliberately went to Liverpool city centre yesterday as I wanted to experience the city's reaction first hand. Let's just say I spent a lot of the time in tears (of joy)."

Joining in the emotional hysteria?

Eloethan,

I don't know how accurate this list is www.theeuroprobe.org/2015-026-british-public-officials-who-are-freemasons-or-bilderberg-attendees/

I do know for an absolute fact that a former Chairman of Essex Police Authority, who was forced to repay £10,000 in mileage expenses, was in 2012 (and I think still is) the Master of his local Freemasons' lodge. He's on the list and is still a district councillor.

Kevin thingy who was editor of the Sun st the time said he received calls from police, ambulance service and a Tory MP giving the false information

Not so sure about no can if worms, the PM and Home Secretary visited Hillsborough and had talks with the police. All this after the corruption during the miners strike ?

I thought that police officers and court officials were no longer allowed to be Freemasons, but from what I've read that's not the case. It is a disgrace that a secretive, non-accountable organisation can recruit members from the public services. It certainly brings about suspicions that it leaves an organisastion more open to corruption.

gillybob I think there are story lines in Line of Duty that are very reminiscent of things that have actually happened - in particular the racist thug put into a cell with the black campaigner.

I can't believe the ruling has been so long coming, when the trials of the various officials and 14 Liverpool fans found guilty of the deaths of 39 Juventus fans at Heysel in 1985 were concluded within four years.

Totally agree Juggernaut and Anniebach

The CPS will find an excuse not to prosecute . Over 1,000 have died either in police custody or police involvement since 1990 , think the number is close to 1,500, no police officer has been charged

gillybob If those responsible have lived long enough to become old or frail, they should count themselves very lucky. 96 people were deprived of the chance to get old, and that's down to them!
So, old, frail, ill, none of that should matter, they should be prosecuted for their 'crimes'.
I don't doubt that it will mean opening a huge can of worms, but 'worms' is exactly the right word to use for Duckinfield and his ilk, so".................

Anniebach I'm not actually from Liverpool, I was born, and still live in Cheshire, but Liverpool has always been our primary city. Chester's lovely, but Liverpool is where I worked for thirty eight years, and has such a history and a wonderful atmosphere that I consider myself a 'native'.
I am, however, immensely proud of the way the families have conducted themselves during the past 27 years, and proud of the city as a whole. If David Duckinfield and his cronies thought people would just shut up and go away, he picked on the wrong city!
There may be high unemployment, and all the usual social problems of northern cities in Liverpool, but the people hold their heads high, and never higher than today!

Oh they will Anniebach although I am not sure whether this could turn into a "can of worms" when the people who should be prosecuted will be either, too old to stand trial, too frail, too ill, have lost their memories, or just be conveniently on the other side of the world.......

Juggernaut, not everyone believed what was said about the events that day , you must be so proud of you city , I spent much of yesterday in tears , such suffering poured onto innocent people , I wish Liverpool success for the battles still to come - and sadly, come they will.

I cannot understand how police/solicitors are even allowed to be members of a secret society such as the Freemasons. Surely this is just asking for trouble.

I am so happy for the people of Liverpool and the families who have fought so hard for justice and to prove the innocence of their loved ones.

As the only 'Merseysider' to comment (so far) I can say this verdict means the world to the people of Liverpool.
The city as a whole was vilified at the time, 'the fans were drunk, the fans were agressive, the fans caused it all, it's what to expect from scousers' all of it absolute garbage!
The facts are out there now, things that the people of Liverpool knew in their hearts all along, their loved ones were the victims, of the tragedy, the pathetically poor response on the day, and the dreadful behaviour of the 'powers that be' after the event.
I quite deliberately went to Liverpool city centre yesterday as I wanted to experience the city's reaction first hand. Let's just say I spent a lot of the time in tears (of joy). The sense of relief is palpable, finally those responsible have been forced out of the woodwork and made to confess to their lies and cruelty to the families for the past 27 years!
Now, we can only hope that David Duckinfield (spineless toad that he is) is prosecuted to the full extent of the law. There were many people at fault that day, but as the Officer in charge, the buck stops with him!
daphnedill The Sun is still boycotted in Liverpool and a lot of the surrounding areas, (including the area of Cheshire where I live) where it is more widely called 'The Scum'.
As an aside, my son is a solicitor and has been invited many times to join the Freemason's as it would help in career advancement, he'll join the Freemason's the day hell freezes over!

annie you don't have to apologise to anyone for going off topic when sharing such a lovely story. We all know that there are thousands of good decent police officers, but it's at the top when the good men are muzzled.

Anniebach my DF too was told that joining the Freemasons would further his career. he too refused. This secretive group seems to be managing to keep themselves out of the public eye at the moment, but I have no doubt they are still as powerful.

Petra, in my defence I agreed to marry an art student who then decided to join the police force, this caused much amusement in my family because I was involved in campaigns against miscarriages of justice then as well as being active in demo's

May I give an example of why I am angry when j hear police officers saying they altered their note books because they were ordered to

When my husband was in uniform and on the beat he was told by the Sgt to get up the town and sort out the parking in the high street, he did so and booked two motorists. He was ordered into the inspectors office and was sworn at for booking Lord Powys then ordered to drop it , my husband said he would but only if the electrician was also let off otherwise he would continue with the paperwork for Lord Powys and the electrician , he was told he was heading for a short career with that attitude - when he died aged 28 , he was the youngest scene of crime officer this force had ever had, was a detective Sgt and qualified to rank of inspector , was also recommended for Bramshill by the chief constable . I have never accepted the annual invitation to the police memorial service , I cannot because the big brass are so damn corrupt and they corrupt new officers - but they failed with mine

Sorry of topic but I feel strongly about police corruption and it starts with small offences and continues until it reaches the likes of Hillsborough, the Birmingham six, Ian Tomlinson , the Lawrence's and hundreds more

I have some sympathy with the police officers involved. Not for the lying, that was dreadful, but to have been put in that position in the first place.

Let's not forget Thatchers help in this cover up. She gave this police force her full support as a thank you for their 'work' in the miners strike.

Annie you have brought tears to my eyes mentioning the Birmingham 6. And still it goes on. How odd that you married a policeman. Still, there's nothing you can do when Cupid shoots his arrow. Very sad time.