Should we be worried about right-wing populism?

What we should be worried about is bigoted lefties.

If you think my facts are misleading, you should complain to the Office of National Statistics.

Oh well! I thought you'd gone for a while anyway. If you're feeling queasy, you might find it a good idea to stay in the bathroom.

obie I don't understand your last post about what most people mean and being deliberately misleading. What are you actually talking about please?

If the trend continues, it means that there will continue to be about 35,000 immigrants from the Republic of Ireland. If my memory serves me correctly (and there's no guarantee that it does) the Conservatives talked about bringing net immigration down to below 100,000 and UKIP at one stage were talking about 50,000.

Most of the non-EU immigrants now have Tier 2 visas, which are for people in shortage occupations, such as certain engineers and doctors, nurses, etc. There are about 165,000 of them, which means that the UK will struggle to fill some jobs, especially in bio-tech, science, engineering, etc. These are growth industries and make the UK money.

That makes no difference to what most other people mean. And you all know it.

The blatant and obvious misleading that some of you are doing, actually makes me feel a bit queasy. It makes me wonder what some of you have got up to in your jobs and lives. Though I dont think that me saying this is going to make any difference to you all.

Now that is interesting daph

Puts a major hole in immigration argument - needs wider viewing

granjura

Interesting (or not) facts, but still factual:

Just over 50% of all immigrants to the UK come from non-EU countries.

Approximately 20% of all EU immigrants to the UK are from the Republic of Ireland. Irish citizens have had the right to come to the UK without restriction since 1924. Presumably this arrangement will continue.

If EU citizens are really desperate to come to the UK, they'll be able to acquire Irish citizenship then immigrate. Simples!

Well that is a totally convincing and great argument, bravo.

Off to change name again, perhaps?

Both these points have likely been talked about before. Off I go. I dont like to get bored.

Not putting up much of an argument obelone beyond repeating a slogan or two.
Don't suppose there will be very many leave votes from the NHS staff, who are a significant block (even when you take away all the ones who are not entitled to vote because they are pesky immigrants.)

No, you need to tell me, and Tegan too, how it is pure facism as you describe. You were the one who said it and so needs to justify and explain your statement.

JessM is talking about controlled immigration from EU countries. Just about everyone talks about uncontrolled immigration from elsewhere. It has been said before a few times.

obieone Jess is right - that is exactly how the single market works so instead of immigration we should look at it as the free movement of people within a single market. This market stretches throughout the 28 countries. The only immigration we have is that from outside of the EU.

With regard to Farage poster, you need first of all look at the Nazi propaganda posters put out during the 30s then tell me the difference between the two.

which immigrants waiting where? If you are talking about those waiting inCalais, Greece, Italy, etc etc- they are NOT from Europe- and BREXIT would be likely to bring them all here, as the EU Governments would facilitate that to get rid of them.

It seems to many in this campaign are mixing immigrant from the EU, and those escaping war, torture or abject poverty from outside the EU.

I cant be bothered to explain it JessM, so I will just ask one question. All the immigrants coming in and waiting, what are their skills and how many are there? Do you know? Does anyone? Does the Government?
Different thing entirely.

Explain please Tegan. I am willing to listen and try to understand.

Just not swallowing the "uncontrolled immigration" line. The whole idea of the EU is that there is free movement of labour. Classic example (I've said it before and I'll say it again if necessary) is Ireland. In the years of the Celtic Tiger there was a very high level of immigration into Ireland from Eastern EU because the economy was desperate for their skills and hard work. I remember being in a changing room in a clothes shop and hearing EEU languages all around me. My BIL had an architecture practice in which nearly all his employees were EEU - because there were no Irish architects available.
Then the economy took a dive and suddenly - Ireland is back to minus migration again because most of the EEU immigrants went home. There is official data here to back up this post www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2015/
We are in the same situation - shortage of labour - EU migrants arrive. Skills no longer needed, most return home. At the same time there are many Brits taking advantage of free movement - 2 million living on mainland EU I believe.
This is self-controlling, not uncontrolled.

The Farage poster. I hadnt had a proper look bwefore, and cant see all the words.

Personally I fail to see it, but you may be able to persuade me otherwise??

writing the negative of something rude doesn't make it 'un'rude...

hey ho, think I got it now! Thought so!

It was not rude. Report me if you are bothered!!

Farage poster is pure fascism.

obione (but who on earth were you before- I'm sure you were someobdy else here before, the tone is so 'déjà vu')... daphné makes a lot of sense to some of us- so don't be so rude. Thanks.

You are nor making sense now. I am not saying that you are losing your marbles though!

Uncontrolled immigration. As I say.