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Should we be worried about right-wing populism?

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whitewave Tue 24-May-16 10:17:41

Following on from the Trump thread.

It seems that right wing populism is growing with its anti-immigration stance, and its racist and fascist undertones.

The evidence I suggest is the following.
Trump in America
50% of Austria voting for a fascist president
Polands "Law and Order" party.
France Marine le Pen
UKs UKIP
Other European countries have growing right wing parties.
Eastern Europe has seen the rise of authoritarian nationalism, fascism and anti- minority populism.
They all share the same model as what we see in Russia, Putins government can be described as authoritarian, and socially conservative nationalism.

Some of our parents generation lost their lives fighting this evil. We can't let it slip back into our lives.

petra Fri 27-May-16 22:33:52

Is it still me 'your' talking about ?

daphnedill Fri 27-May-16 22:17:16

Bad manners are rarely challenged, so it seems.

Elegran Fri 27-May-16 21:47:02

PS thatbags Us sisters is right behind you, so am me.

Elegran Fri 27-May-16 21:44:31

You are at liberty to be a wimp if you wish, ww but there is no obligation on anyone else to allow bad manners to go unchallenged.

whitewave Fri 27-May-16 21:33:29

I simply don't understand it, I never find it necessary to argue, or complain. That's all I'm saying. Mind you I am like that in real life as well so probably me being a wimp.

thatbags Fri 27-May-16 21:21:21

Rudeness verging on bullying, in fact.

thatbags Fri 27-May-16 21:19:23

So people should just put up with rudeness from one person? Objecting to rudeness is not arguing; it's making a valid objection.

whitewave Fri 27-May-16 21:15:18

It was to all of you argumentative sisters. You remind me of the baby starlings in the garden at the moment. If they get too near each other they peck and argue???

thatbags Fri 27-May-16 21:12:51

Maybe say that about peace to the appropriate sister, ww, and leave the rest of us we 'sisters' out of it?

whitewave Fri 27-May-16 20:59:46

Cor blimey!!!!!!! Shhhhhhhh!

Peace and love sisters?❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Elegran Fri 27-May-16 20:55:26

I had read dj's post and thought it out of order too.

thatbags Fri 27-May-16 20:48:12

I don't think it was you who was out of order, petra. Not surprised you're confused though; it took me a while to work it out.

petra Fri 27-May-16 20:34:35

harrigran & * daphnidil.* Could you tell me how I was "totally out of order" and that I should be reported. Confused of Leigh on sea.

whitewave Fri 27-May-16 19:50:31

I don't think we are supposed to talk about other threads, which is a bit weird so I won't.

I will start as if this doesn't exist on another thread.

There is a poster being put out by a group which supports the black vote in the UK. It shows a lady sitting on a see-saw opposite a thug/skinhead. The implication being that she is experiencing racism in this EU debate, but his vote will not count for any more than her vote. There is a worry that the black vote won't turn out.

Now whatever we think about the poster, I think it is yet another example of the way the right wing extremist is Informing so much of this debate. This poster I think is a reaction to this.

daphnedill Fri 27-May-16 19:47:18

Ding dong! Is this the start of a Friday night scrap? If so, I think I'll see what's on TV. Anya, you grab any opportunity to have a go at dj, so I don't think you're the right person to complain about what's acceptable or unacceptable.

Anya Fri 27-May-16 19:41:44

Sadly that is acceptable to some people harigran but if you retaliate your reply reported hmm

daphnedill Fri 27-May-16 19:40:33

Complain to the mods. Petra was wrong.

harrigran Fri 27-May-16 19:16:24

You're wrong, as usual, Petra as stated by dj. That is totally out of order and not acceptable angry

durhamjen Fri 27-May-16 19:05:49

Can't imagine Cameron taking a leaf out of Switzerland's book in that, granjura. Well done, Switzerland.
He thinks taking 20,000 by 2020 is a big deal. I am ashamed.

granjura Fri 27-May-16 18:59:43

From the Economist:

The government of the Alpine country had planned to admit about 29,000 asylum-seekers in 2015. Over the summer, as hundreds of thousands of refugees surged through the Balkans into neighbouring Austria and Germany, Switzerland expanded its annual intake of asylum-seekers—to about 30,000. Switzerland is not a member of the European Union, and thus is not part of the mandatory relocation scheme for asylum applicants which most EU members now face.

The country’s mountainous terrain and lack of major rail hubs seem to have kept it off of the major migrant routes. Nevertheless, voters handsomely rewarded right-wing politicians who had campaigned hard on immigration issues. The Swiss People’s Party (SVP), already the biggest in the federal assembly, pushed its share of the popular vote to 29%, surpassing its previous record in 2007.

This is a lot for a country with the population of London....
and yes, right-wing populism is on the rise here too. For all sorts of reasons- the constant demands of expats and the pressure they put on the systems and good quality housing too. It is now practically impossible for 'normal' Swiss to live in Geneva- as flat all go directly to multinational companes based there- without the local even getting a look in.

granjura Fri 27-May-16 18:53:15

Marine is on the up too- but not quite as bad as the Austrian chap! Switzerland is a very small country, and yes it is very easy to walk from all sides, including Italy- with or without elephants. Switzerland has 25% foreigners, areas like Geneva over 40%- and yes, there are many asylum seekers centres all around- including one very near me- and it seems they are taking on their fair share.

durhamjen Fri 27-May-16 18:34:56

I realised that, granjura. It just made me wonder how many people might want to get out of Austria if the far right had won, although I imagine most of them would go to Germany.

There were photos of children, Syrian, I think, going through the mountains from Italy to Austria and then Germany. It made me realise how close it was to Switzerland. Do you have refugees going that way?

whitewave Fri 27-May-16 18:26:27

What's happening to Marine le Pen and her crew?

granjura Fri 27-May-16 18:20:09

I meant so so close as in % - I live on the French border totally on the other side of the country.

durhamjen Fri 27-May-16 18:04:39

That must have been worrying for you. I watched the new Sound of Music with my 9 year old granddaughter last December. I had to explain a lot more to her than I ever had to do with my sons. The stage play seemed to be much more scary than the musical.