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Anniebach Mon 30-May-16 13:02:28

BBC news announced the English football squad would be given extra protection as would the other home countries . Seems we should refer to the UK as England and Co. Or England and the rest

Jalima Tue 31-May-16 18:15:58

There isn't a BBC England
Oh no, is that discrimination?

Ah, just found a link to the FB page for BBC England
www.facebook.com/bbcer/

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 18:04:29

But they are not right, are they? It's impossible to have an extra 4 million migrants in London by 2020. Even you must admit that.

Hollycat Tue 31-May-16 17:44:45

No durhamjen I explained I did see it on the television just can't remember the programme, and the figure of 4 million in London was not only mentioned but came up in large yellow type too to emphasise it. It was either the Paxman programme or the BBC "Last Whites in the Eastend", I believe. The figures I have given you were the only ones I could find quickly. You must admit they're still pretty scary.

trisher Tue 31-May-16 17:38:06

Link to BBC England- may only be on-line and only applies to news www.bbc.co.uk/news/england

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 17:17:54

There isn't a BBC England, Annie. I think trisher is getting mixed up with the NHS. There are four of those.

thatbags Tue 31-May-16 16:41:11

grumppa, I thought the entire island of Ireland was in the British Isles. Has it drifted off?

British Isles is not equal to Britain which is not equal to Great Britain which is not equal to UK. They are all different.

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 15:42:58

And don't foget, you were just talking about migrants, not the population as a whole.

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 15:38:08

" Another 4 million migrants are expected in London alone by 2020 (Gov figures)."

This is what you said, Hollycat. So it was just you scaremongering, not Brexit, was it?
A rise to 10 million by 2024 is not the same, is it, considering the population was 8.6 million in 2015.

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 15:33:22

It was on BBC Radio news , thank you for the link to Welsh football

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 15:30:24

I didn't know there was a BBC England

trisher Tue 31-May-16 15:18:34

There isn't an English news dj- so just basing this on numbers of viewers and the fact that there is a BBC Wales and a BBC Scotland which could slant the news to suit their audiences. If there wasn't a BBC Wales (Like there isn't a BBC North East really- just small regional unit) I would fully expect the news to use all the names.
It is also interesting that BBC England link to football gives info about the Welsh team as well Whereas BBC Wales link to football only gives info about the Welsh team??!!!

Jalima Tue 31-May-16 15:10:33

Here you are anniebach, the Beeb is not ignoring Wales altogether:
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34665078

And as grumppa said, Scotland was not mentioned because they didn't qualify.

I hope it wasn't Huw Edwards reading said news - he should be ashamed of himself if he was. definitely worth a complaint if so.

Hollycat Tue 31-May-16 15:02:24

Sorry durhamjen you're quite right the EVEL rule was first used in January and the Scots objected loudly. As regards population of London - I saw it on the BBC a week or so back, but of course can't remember where - think it was Paxman on the EU. However, according to the Independent the pop of London is expected to rise to 10m by 2024 with no sign of slowing. E &SE growing faster than national average at 8.9% & 8.6% respectively - slowest in NE at 3.1% (26.5.16) new figures are expected from ONS in June. So no, not Brexit scaremongering.

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 14:58:45

That makes it worse, grumppa. Didn't even know about Scotland not being in the finals.
So they should just have said England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 14:58:31

Trisher, I am not putting words in your mouth , the four countries pay the same licence fee , you think England should be prominent because there are more English, there are more because it is a bigger country

I do not see it as an attack on Wales by the BBC, it was an insult

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 14:53:22

Fair enough grumppa, but the home countries would have been betterthan England and the others ,or named the countries

grumppa Tue 31-May-16 14:47:57

The Beeb could have done better, but it's not straightforward. British wouldn't do because that excludes NI; UK wouldn't do because that includes Scotland, who didn't make it to the Euro Finals.

And to have a UK team would not be popular with any of the UK constituent football associations, who would have only one vote in UEFA and FIFA.

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 14:43:01

But, trisher, do you not see that it was British news and mentioned all four teams, but only one by name. It wasn't English news, as opposed to Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish.

trisher Tue 31-May-16 14:31:20

Anniebach please stop putting words in my mouth. Nowhere have I claimed we are more important because we are bigger. All I have said is that news programmes should adapt their content to fit the majority of viewers. If those viewers are Scots then the news should be tailored to their needs, the same with the Welsh. You seem to want the best of both worlds UK news when you choose, regional when it is in fact a country being catered for.
durhamjen if you are referring to Made in Tyne and Wear it is an independent TV channel and has no links to the BBC
I agree it wouldn't have done any harm, my point is it wasn't necessary. Anymore than it would be necessary for BBC Scotland or BBC Wales to mention England.
Anniebach of course sees this as an attack on Wales rather than a true expression of the freedom of the 4 countries to have their own versions of the news

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 14:20:52

Which reminds me, I have to buy my licence today, for the British Broadcasting Corporation.

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 14:14:33

Thank you Jen , two English posters who express respect for the four countries of the U.K.

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 13:44:12

Is BBC Wales in Welsh? If so we possibly would not know if they did mention all four countries seperately.
There is a separate Tyne and Wear television channel which I presume is similar, but I do not watch it because I prefer national news.
I actually agree with Anniebach. It would not have done any harm for the BBC to announce that the English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Ireland teams would be given extra protection.

After all, we all pay the same for our British licences.
Over 100 posts attacking her for wanting this does seem excessive.

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 13:43:23

Trisher,you wish to take the attitude - we are bigger than you so this makes us more important , fine and not at all unusual or unexpected

daphnedill Tue 31-May-16 13:42:34

It's probably from the Ministry of Silly Scare Stories.

The population of London in 2015 was 8.63 milliion. It was 8 million in 1939, but had fallen since then.

The 'official' prediction seems to be the one that Boris Johnson has used - that the population is predicted to rise to 11 million by 2050, not 2020.
www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/jan/09/london-booming-population-growth-success-challenges

trisher Tue 31-May-16 13:25:37

You still haven't answered the question Should all 4 countries be mentioned by name on BBC Wales? I suspect your answer will be "No" and you will claim that it is because it is 'regional' news, but I think there is a difference between "regional" as referring to places like North East England and a country such as Wales which has its own BBC area provision. In claiming that BBC Wales is only "regional" you are I think undermining your efforts to promote Wales as a country with its own identity.If BBC Wales is regional is Wales then just a region of the UK?