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Anniebach Mon 30-May-16 13:02:28

BBC news announced the English football squad would be given extra protection as would the other home countries . Seems we should refer to the UK as England and Co. Or England and the rest

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 13:09:40

By the way, which government department expects the population of London to increase by more than 50% in the next four years?
Where are they all going to live?
Can you show your source, Hollycat? Or is it a Brexit claim?

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 13:01:46

Seems only England is of national interest , too funny

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 12:58:18

Trisher, again ,i am speaking of UK news not regional news , being English you just don't accept the fact that England is equal to not more important then, no matter, as you have kept on about far more English listen to the news I am content that one poster on this thread has extended understanding. One fair English person is good enough for me

durhamjen Tue 31-May-16 12:57:23

Not true, Hollycat. Scotland cannot vote on things which do not concern them. There are two votes in parliament, and both have to have a majority. When there is an Evel vote it is obvious that it is going to be a Tory win.

trisher Tue 31-May-16 12:36:44

If it is of national interest then of course time should be given to it Anniebach what I said was the news has an audience which must be mainly English and not Welsh, Scots or N. Irish (even if you add them all together) so the names do not need to be mentioned. I also said I had no objection to BBC Wales not mentioning the English team by name, for the same reason, the target audience is Welsh. Do you think BBC Wales and Scotland should mention all the teams every time?

Hollycat Tue 31-May-16 12:34:12

Annibach you are determined to feel marginalised. Wales at least has its own Assembly, something the English would really appreciate as the Scots seem determined to vote on things which don't concern them. And yes, it's awful that part of the valleys were flooded so that others might drink. Have you considered the real possibility that could happen again? Another 4 million migrants are expected in London alone by 2020 (Gov figures). Ken Livingstone had a desalination plant built at Greenwich which is too expensive to run. And here you are still harking on about grievances 50 years old. Much better to get excited about those yet to come.

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 12:08:19

The four countries are the four home countries of the U.K. Not England and the other three countries

England won the war with help from the other three home countries ?

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 12:05:35

Jalima, is the general news news for the UK or for England? I don't give a toss if or how it was announced on one of the twelve English BBC news channels, I am referring to UK news,

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 12:00:42

Then we disagree trisher, nothing to do with culture and language . You think because there are more English in the UK than there are Scots, Irish and Welsh then UK news should be English news first and the other three countries what ever time is left

trisher Tue 31-May-16 11:56:12

I totally agree that you have a perfect right to your language and culture Anniebach but I contest the fact that you should always be referred to by name in any BBC broadcast. If the majority of listeners are English then that is the target audience and items should be worded accordingly. As I said BBC Wales could issue the same piece of news and use the Wales team instead of the English as an example.
I think a British team would be great, but I wonder if the Welsh/Scots/N.Irish would want to play in it?

granjura Tue 31-May-16 11:45:57

And yet the same applies to, say, Sicily, different Island, different language, different culture and history- but they do not have their own team. Same about Catalonia in Spain- that is just as different in 100s of ways.

What would be wrong with having a British team?

daphnedill Tue 31-May-16 11:43:26

They obviously don't like being referred to a 'other home countries', so why not respect what they like?

I was brought up drinking Welsh water - and very nice it was too! I remember thinking how unfair it was that the Welsh were paying more for their water rates than my family on Merseyside was.

Jalima Tue 31-May-16 11:42:57

I wonder how it was announced on BBC Wales?
I missed the said announcement altogether I must admit, having negligible interest in football.

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 11:36:26

Thank you Daphne , all I hoped for was an understanding of the request for equality for the four countries of the U.K., not being told I am a borderline case , you have given that understanding

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 11:31:29

TerriBull, if I were Greek I would do as you say and defend Greece but I am not Greek

thatbags Tue 31-May-16 11:28:26

They are "other home countries", even if they don't like to be referred to as such.
I think the OP has a point too but she doesn't half egg it a lot.

nigglynellie Tue 31-May-16 11:27:55

Exactly TB! That's precisely the point I've been trying, perhaps rather clumsily to make! Even now the Greeks in particular have had an extremely tough time courtesy of the EU, who let's face it encouraged their financial disaster and then threw buckets of you know what when the chips went down. What with that and dealing with the migrant crises virtually single handed, I think Greeks could be forgiven for being just a bit fed up!

daphnedill Tue 31-May-16 11:25:00

My goodness! It's so easy to see why minorities in the UK have grievances and feel they're marginalised.

The Welsh have their own culture and language, of which they are rightfully proud. I think anniebach has a point, as this announcement was on the BBC. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland aren't just 'other' countries.

TerriBull Tue 31-May-16 11:06:48

"Hatred is alien to me" Yeah right but it does not preclude you from having this interminable whine about how the Welsh have suffered at the hands of the English. Try googling some of the atrocities the Greeks, among others, suffered at the hands of the Germans during World War 2 and the paltry reparations they received and it might put the Welsh grievances into perspective. We have to move on and stop blaming whole nations for the bad behaviour of a few.

nigglynellie Tue 31-May-16 11:05:08

Well ab, that's as maybe, but you certainly sound very resentful and bitter, which at times sounds like a border line case.

Anniebach Tue 31-May-16 10:54:55

Jalima , I am for staying in the EU. Hatred is alien to me, never experienced it so cannot comment on it sorry

nigglynellie Tue 31-May-16 10:50:37

Not yet Hollycat!!

nigglynellie Tue 31-May-16 10:49:51

I've only used WW2 to illustrate that past resentments and hatreds can be overcome. Others have used other examples. You are the one with continuing resentments over things that happened sixty years ago when, as someone pointed out, the people of Liverpool had little say if any in the matter of the reservoir. Liverpool has apologised! What else can they do?, what else do you want them to do?! As for the BBC?! I daresay England does have more regional programmes. Are you saying that Wales should have twelve too?!! Maybe there is no demand for more than one, after all England is a lot bigger than the other three, or is that another resentment?!

trisher Tue 31-May-16 10:35:52

Population of Wales approx 3 mill. Population of England approx 53 mill so per head that is actually discriminatory against the English. If we were equal we would have at least 16 or 17.

Hollycat Tue 31-May-16 10:33:37

Then again, the Queen is still referred to as "the Queen of England", no one gets too excited about that.