EU - I'm in a quandary

Apologies Whitewave

I haven't noticed much about the disabled in this referendum debate.

dpac.uk.net/2016/06/disabled-people-stronger-and-safer-inside-the-eu/

Sorry joel you've got wrong gran. I've been talking about trade deals.

Wouldn't believe much the express publishes if I were you though.

Whitewave
it will not happen?
www.express.co.uk/news/world/682306/EU-referendum-Brexit-Turkey-membership-talks-European-Union

Hey fire its not her crime being married to Gove-its her punishment!

Difficult maggie I suppose Farage would be a good candidate.

They don't like experts, do they, whitewave? I wonder which people will be negotiating.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/06/22/its-because-i-love-my-country-that-i-despise-farage

Oh. Don't be silly fire

Goodness, Sarah can go a lot lower than that.

My comment was to durhamjen.

fire who's that to only I've looked at all the posts and can't find a single one that matches your description. Are you on the right thread?

What a nasty comment, how low can you go.

Sarah Vine is likely to be the one with the profit motive. Her husband has gambled his political career on Brexit so she needs to keep her very lucrative job writing sensationalist rubbish for the Daily Mail.

"Pogs" Yes I heard that yesterday evening I think it was. There is no doubt that the German equivalent of our CBI is more powerful than our CBI, however, there are 26 other countries in the EU. We have to be clear that they would agree with Kerber and that is far from the case.

I would just like to add that I have tried every which way to discover someone who thinks that any deal relating to our involvement in trade negotiations with regard to the Non involvement of the free movement of people will be possible. I have been totally unsuccessful.

So WTO seems the most likely option. However in that scenario trade deals are as Professor Wood and Professor Dougan indicated protracted, uncertain and difficult, especially as we lack a single expert in the negotiation technics. Always supposing you agree an expert would be desirable in this case.

Anyone bothered if Sarah Vine burns her voting paper?
Isn't her crime being married to Michael Gove?

This is an Oxford Professor not sure she is driven by the profit motive.

What is most interesting however is what will happen to Londons Financial Services domination. The ECB will in the event of a Brexit immediately take on the Euro trading, it is also keen to take On Londons dominance, which given that the ECB is sat in a union of economic dominance won't be difficult.

Financial services are the most difficult things to negotiate trade deals in, that is why threat of Brexit has sent Bank shares plummeting.

Whitewave

"Want to know how trade deals are going to be negotiated post Brexit"

What do you think about the thread I raised re the comments from Markus Kerber from the influential German BDI (Federation of German Industry)? The DBI has more clout in the EU than our CBI and if we are instructed to listen to our CBI for information surely we must listen to what the German DBI are thinking.

He says this

" It would be very, very foolish if the EU imposed trade barriers on the UK in the event it chose to leave the EU"

"Any introductions to tariffs would be a 'regression' to times we thought we had left behind in the 1970's"

I started the thread today as I am pleased to hear somebody at last who shows a 'progressive' thought rather than being embroiled in partisan politics or spin and thought his comment would be drowned out as there are so many threads running non parallel I thought if you can't beat um, join um.

Whitewave
No one can say with any certainty. In many instances these 'so called experts' have little more understanding the the common man and in many instances, unless it is their favoured subject often have less. They tend to hold polarised views because that is the scope of their understanding. A nobody who lives in the real world is often the one with a better understanding. Take the NHS and its wholesale privatisation this is being driven by KPMG and the likes who are working to academic financial models, their blinkered yet expert opinions are decimating the system and there is little or no regard for the social and welfare impact. Profit is their goal. They are 'experts' do you trust them?

This is the Sarah Vine that said in her newspaper column that Ed Milliband's wife looked like Mr Spock, and described the Milliband's home as having a forlorn little kitchen? Who was roundly condemned by both Michael Portillo and Alan Johnson on This Week for her comments about someone whose only crime was to marry a politician?

Thank you whitewave Only 1.44 minutes - surely short enough for anyone! Here is a link. www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHFp3-qE_T8

Good article from Sarah Vine. I have no doubt in my mind that Leave will win the vote tomorrow.

From Sarah Vine : 'But because, after the way the Remain camp has behaved over the past few weeks, I’d sooner set fire to my ballot paper than give my backing to such a bunch of bullies.

This saddens me, because if anyone should be voting Remain, it’s me.'

I totally not get this- You don't vote on the behaviour of your opponent, but on the content, surely. And after the lies and racist posters, and more lies, on the 350mio, on Turkey, on Switzerland, and so many more- you fares worst on the liesometer?

Want to know how trade deals are going to be negotiated post Brexit? Google
Oxford professor Ngaire Woods on Brexit and the single market and watch the video.

Of course I should warn you that she is an expert so you may wish to dismiss it as not relevant .

The referendum result is not legally binding. What happens if there is a majority vote for OUT from the people count but a majority vote for REMAIN from the constituencies? We are a representative Parliamentary system. Can the MPs then vote according to the majority vote in their constituencies? Ah but...the majority of my constituents want to stay in so.....