EU - I'm in a quandary

Stuart - pressure of uncontrolled immigration lowers wages. Not true a lie. We know that from all the evidence

GJ

Did you all see my Huffpost link? If only we could hold him to it!

Don't think much of it so far.

granjura that did cross my mind too!

Anyone else watching?

Around the world JCB used to stand for Junk Comes from Britain. Hope that's changed.

If Alea and myself have come to agree- it must have been really convincing, no? ;)

We can discuss the Great Debate

I think I shall start yet another thread. Sorry about that, but it is a subject of its own. See you there soon.

I agree with paola and alea

jings I have watched it right through, and it is, as paola has just said, the most convincing thing out on the whole referemdum. It is FACTS as taught to law students.

Condensing it is not easy (bet the law students find the same) but I shall have a go.

m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_5768f69fe4b01fb65863fbdb?edition=uk

Promises, promises!

As good a reason to vote Remain as any!

The Michael Dougan lecture is the most convincing thing I have watched on the referendum. I strongly recommend that the undecided (and the open-minded brexiters) watch it all. He also responds to queries about migration here: news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06/20/eu-law-expert-responds-industrial-dishonesty-video-goes-viral/

This is getting surreal. Many, if not most of us have watched the whole YouTube video, read extensively about the implications of voting either way and thought deeply about the rights and wrongs involved.
If those who have read, thought,considered conscientiously decide to vote one way or the other, that is what democracy is about.
Sadly, each of those votes only has the same weight as that from people who live on soundbites, red top headlines and hearsay anecdotal "evidence". People who do not weigh the facts but are swayed by the emotional appeal of the purveyors of doom and gloom , by shocking poster like that endorsed by Farage and lies instead of statistics.
That is what frightens me.

I am totally amazed that anyone would watch it all through.

Well, I am not one of them. I watched it before I posted (reposted) the link, and I watched it a second time with my husband. I won't be responding to any other stupid questions like this from you.

Stop digging, obieone you are just getting deeper into the hole. You don't think you will be interested - it might confuse you with facts from someone who knows what he is talking about.

granjura, you are virtually the only one who has said they have watched it all.

Wilma, have you just watched it in the last few minutes?

Putting a link to a video, does not mean at all that the person has watched it all. Often you will find that they have not.

Of course I've watched it all obieone, I wouldn't have posted a link otherwise. Are you just trolling now?

Virtually no-one else who obione???

We've all said we've watched it, some of us several times.
As said, the first 6 minutes is the introduction- so it is very worthwhile watching to the end, well listening. Even if to disagree. But if you disagree, do it after watching, NOT before, and with good counter arguments. Please.

Elegran.
Which bile?
Which credentials?

You havne't have you Wilma.

I have watched six minutes. Virtually no one else has watched any so far.

See how things can be spinned?

Elegran please continue to post snippets. I'm sure it will help those still undecided, which after all was the reason for this thread.

obieone, not that it matters to you, but I lost all respect for your opinion when you said you got bored after 6 minutes of listening to a man who teaches the subject for a living to aspiring lawyers.

Perhaps sound bite politics is more your level.

Tegan I share your dread of the awful mess our country will have to face if enough people are persuaded to vote to leave.

I was extremely anxious two years ago when the SNP got up a head of steam and almost destroyed the UK. I am a Scot but not currently living in Scotland so was disenfranchised.

This is much worse. I wake up in the middle of the night worrying about it. A Brexit could mean not only the reduction of our country to a small peripheral island but the breakup of the UK itself as Scotland, Northern Ireland and possibly even parts of the North of England break away.

The other day I met a neighbour in the supermarket. She told me she had already voted Leave but she didn't seem to know why. Not wanting an EU army was all she could come up with (I told her that wasn't going to happen). She is a nice woman, certainly not a racist, but she has been fed a load of lies by Nigel Farage et al. When I told her I would be horrified if the Leave side won she said "don't worry - it won't affect us" Not affect us!!!! I told her it would certainly affect everyone in this country, and in Europe and possibly in the rest of the world for many years to come. She does not have children and grandchildren so may not care quite so much, but I fear that there are too many decent people like her whose votes will condemn us and our families to a very bleak future.

LOL the thread now reads as if David Beckham if an expert on EU Law. Bless him, he's not that.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3631075/David-Beckham-brings-joy-villagers-Swaziland-football-star-visits-drought-hit-region-charity-work-saving-hundreds-lives.html