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Labour MP Jo Cox shot in Birstall

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POGS Thu 16-Jun-16 14:12:42

I am sorry to be watching this ' unravelling' news report .

I hope she will be OK. Her poor family.

It is being reported that 2 people have been shot and 2 stabbings but no police confirmation as yet. The area is on lock down at the moment and there is a Primary School in the vicinity .

I hope the gunman is caught soon.

Anniebach Fri 17-Jun-16 12:03:43

Her husband asked that we fight hatred as she did , surely he would know what she would have wanted ,

practical Fri 17-Jun-16 12:04:52

Two little girls have woken up this morning wondering what happened to their world not knowing it has changed forever.
They had a loving caring mother and now their world is shattered. My thoughts and prayers are with them, God bless them and watch over them.

obieone Fri 17-Jun-16 12:08:58

Personally, I always feel in these types of circumstances, that a thread like this should be kept to thinking about the person who died and her friends, family etc.

And if someone wanted to start another thread, about who knows what to do with it all, that might be the best thing to do.

Just my thoughts. Feel free to ignore.

micmc47 Fri 17-Jun-16 12:09:22

Shocked and horrified at this brutal act. I was moved to write this today. May her bereaved family be comforted. God bless her husband and those poor children. R.I.P. Jo. x

National Pride

I’m proud to be born British, though of course I had no choice,
Just a fortunate coincidence, in which I still rejoice.
But I’m always careful to ensure I keep it in perspective,
Not like raving mad extremists, whose values are defective.
The moment that your so-called pride degenerates to hate,
It transforms to a poison and begins to generate,
Such negative emotions, and intolerance for those,
Who you see as being different, whose views you might oppose.
We live in a democracy, and we’re all at liberty,
To vote against the policies with which we disagree.
The rule of gun or knife or bomb must never prosper here,
Reject all terrorism, and attempts to rule by fear.
There’s no-one born with hatred, existing in their heart,
It’s something children can be taught, right from the very start.
So wicked to do that to them, when parents ought to share,
A loving value system, for people everywhere.
A happy child, brought up to have an open, caring mind,
To respect the views of others, and to see all of mankind,
As their brothers and their sisters as they journey on through life,
Resisting those whose evil ways, bring hurt and awful strife.
To drag us to those murky depths of prejudice and pain,
Where acceptance is a stranger, where fear and anger reign,
With every outrage that we see, it always demonstrates,
Where hatred darkens every life, love illuminates…

Arry Fri 17-Jun-16 12:10:20

The referendum, syrian war racial issues religion are all just excuses. the truth is its just evil

whitewave Fri 17-Jun-16 12:11:12

smile

whitewave Fri 17-Jun-16 12:12:34

The smile is to mcim

Gracesgran Fri 17-Jun-16 12:48:49

I wonder if one person can tell another how to grieve, for we all will be grieving, for this poor lady, her husband, her children, the career she would have had and the consequences of that which could have improved lives. Some will find they just want to add condolences, some will want to explore the possible reasons - should we really be saying one is wrong. Isn't the greatest loss nationally that we have lost a little bit of our very open democracy. Surely, as long as we are not attacking another member personally or limiting their views we should be able to exercise that democracy.

annodomini Fri 17-Jun-16 12:50:33

mcim smile Thank you.

Devorgilla Fri 17-Jun-16 13:09:53

I think we can still protect that right to explore the deeper reasons behind such attacks but I do agree very strongly with those who have suggested that a separate thread should be opened on it. I am so saddened by this event. Democracy is very fragile, something which I tried to instil into the children I taught, and needs to be protected vigorously. This is why people need to open a new thread IMO to explore the question raised and what we do about it.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 17-Jun-16 13:16:03

Unrealistic to think this thread will avoid the views of posters about why it happened. And why should it?

We can't turn this into some sort of condolences book.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 17-Jun-16 13:16:52

Worthy though that might be of course.

Grannaby Fri 17-Jun-16 13:27:47

RIP Jo. I am feeling so sad today. I am ashamed to say that I hadn't heard about Jo Cox until yesterday, but from what I have heard she sounds a remarkable woman and it is heartening to hear that there are some MPs who are there to make a difference rather than to further their own careers, whichever party they may be in. It is so sad that our media only likes to tell us about the negative and ugly things in life. I also feel that they encourage the sound bite "look at me" politicians to fill their pages/screens so that we don't have a full picture of what is going on.

Bluecat Fri 17-Jun-16 13:51:29

The murder of Jo Cox was an appalling act - the loss of a young mother and a life committed to public service. A cruel and senseless act.

Whilst I agree it is always necessary to try to understand the motivations of someone who commits such a deed, I do think the American commentator on the Orlando bombings had a point when he said that a non-white assassin is automatically labelled "terrorist" whereas a white one is "mentally ill". In both cases, both labels probably apply.

Devorgilla Fri 17-Jun-16 14:10:09

Jinglbellsfrocks, I take your point and if that is the majority view of the posters on here so be it. I just feel that arguments can get very heated and that moving to a new arena rather than one which was opened as the event unfolded would allow people who felt uneasy posting their thoughts on the same site the chance to do so.

rosesarered Fri 17-Jun-16 14:24:56

It's a very sad event, a fatal attack on an MP committed by a man who has mental health issues.As a lot of these kind of attacks in the street tend to be.So all posts about 'evil' and 'fight the hatred' are meaningless.Thankfully, these attacks in our country are very rare.People do look for explanations, but blaming it on anything and everything , when this man is obviously disturbed, is a waste of time.
It's a terrible thing for her husband, children, family and friends and colleagues.
as POGS and many others say, it would be nice if political point scoring stopped.

Anniebach Fri 17-Jun-16 14:36:10

There us no political point scoring on this thread unless your politics support hatred , and often when mental health problems are brought up on threads of murders they are dismissed as 'just an excuse for evil' by some

Anyway this is about the murder of Jo Cox and her husbands request that hatred be fought

VIOLETTE Fri 17-Jun-16 14:41:14

My thoughts are for her family at this time. RIP Jo

merlotgran Fri 17-Jun-16 14:46:15

The poor man made that statement when he was overcome by shock and grief.

How can anyone fight anything if they don't know the facts and what does he actually mean by 'fight'?

I think it needs to be taken as a statement brought on by the horror of the event and not taken too literally.

micmc47 Fri 17-Jun-16 14:50:12

Well said, Anniebach. Whether it was the result of a disturbed mind or not, it was most certainly hatred that killed Jo Cox, and her husband has every right to say so, and to call for it to be rejected.

merlotgran Fri 17-Jun-16 14:57:31

I agree that reject is a word that we can all relate to.

Anniebach Fri 17-Jun-16 15:07:16

Thank you Micmac, yes reject, but to reject can mean dismiss and hatred being spread needs more than a dismissal , well I think so . Your poem was so moving, thank you

Christinefrance Fri 17-Jun-16 15:12:05

It's shameful that so many psychiatric hospitals and units have been closed. There are so few places of safety where people can get treatment now. Whilst not excusing what happened to Jo Cox the Government needs to take a long hard look at NHS mental health care. I feel so sorry for Jo Cox and her family, may they find peace.

Elrel Fri 17-Jun-16 15:19:31

As I see it the way to fight hatred is to show more compassion, less readiness to condemn. That would be a fitting tribute to a remarkable, decent and caring woman. A tragic loss to her family and to the country.

Pamish Fri 17-Jun-16 15:39:38

Mental health issues? [this may illustrate the motive]