German BDI (Federation of German Industry) calls for

Whitewave

" We have aired all the arguements".

That's the problem , it has been about arguing and shutting down any debate or listening to any thing or any body that doesn't suit some peoples view.

I found this statement from the DBI interesting, nothing more , nothing less . I have been so sickened by the lack of 'progressive' thinking, bitching and sniping I have given up on most posts to be honest.

Nobody is foolish enough to expect Kerbers speech to be sacrosanct , no more than anybody is foolish enough to believe what Cameron, Corbyn, Johnson et al say is sacrosanct, well , some might. It is what it is, another perspective and another voice that deserves a hearing.

No, you haven't, obieone!

Merkel has also said NO. Britain will never be given preferential treatment, it won't happen for all sorts of reasons, which doesn't need to be gone into we have aired all the arguments.

I always watch channel 4 news. But for the first time I have changed channels. Talk about biased!!!

Whitewave "convince the other 26" Germany says jump, they ask, how high?

They seem more or less useless as far as Britain is concerned on anything deemed important?

So saying we can veto an EU army for example,is almost totally wrong if we remain.

Have I got that right?

Can someone explian vetos to me please?

As it seems to me that they are overridden many many times?

Has to be negotiated at EU level though. So can we guarantee that they can convince the other 26?

Well the Germans were hardly going to stop us buying their cars were they? - it's called shooting yourself in the foot!

Good post, POGS, thank you.