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Undecideds - have you decided?

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kittylester Thu 23-Jun-16 07:48:58

I think I'm going for 'Remain' but I'm still not definite.confused

harrigran Thu 23-Jun-16 21:17:12

I have to admit that before I saw the news article about Jo Cox I had never heard of her. I asked my friend who has voted labour all her life and she hadn't heard of her either.

durhamjen Thu 23-Jun-16 21:10:16

I did expect kitty to tell me that she would keep it secret.
Didn't expect to be called an attack of athlete's foot.
Rather nasty, I assume, never having had athlete's foot in my life, Anya.

Those who do not know about remain being about love have obviously not been interested in anything to do with Jo Cox.
I really do not know how you have missed it, but that's your problem.

Jalima Thu 23-Jun-16 20:55:36

love - love?
what have I missed?

Granny2016 Thu 23-Jun-16 20:53:00

Durhamgen.......remain being about love !!!
Where on earth have you plucked that one from ??

Jalima Thu 23-Jun-16 20:47:20

Have you any idea how patronising your comments make you seem? Or did you just want us all to know you can afford cleanerS.
that is not nice Casawan and totally uncalled for - you do not know the reason that annsixty may have a cleaner. It does not necessarily mean she is wealthy.

If the vote is remain I will seriously consider taking myself and my money to Australia or New Zealand.
grin harrigran Australian DD said if she were me she would vote 'Remain'
If the vote is for 'out' I hope she will have a spare room for us both

rosesarered Thu 23-Jun-16 20:38:44

Well said Granny2016 that's what I think.

Jalima Thu 23-Jun-16 20:38:30

harrigan - you never did provide the evidence to back up your ludicrous statement about the number of EU employees who are paid more than David Cameron. Far too many meaningless slogans and lies have been peddled by the leavers and sadly there are a lot of people willing to believe nonsense without checking the facts.
varian I think the facts (which are not ludicrous) are quite easy to check if you are able to google at all.

Granny2016 Thu 23-Jun-16 20:35:48

I don,t understand those who won,t vote Brexit because they dislike Farage,or Remain as they don,t trust Cameron.
These are fleeting politicians with a short life span.
Voting Brexit or Remain is for life,and nothing to do with individual personalities.

WilmaKnickersfit Thu 23-Jun-16 19:40:47

hopeful1 you're welcome. smile

kiligran Thu 23-Jun-16 19:40:07

I have voted to remain

granjura Thu 23-Jun-16 19:19:00

Agreed that it's not fair to ask kitty, or anyone. A secret ballot just has to remain secret - unless someone volunteers to share.

granjura Thu 23-Jun-16 19:17:53

'Sick of the EU and small minded insular view.'

agreed, the above really makes the mind boggle. Insular means isolated- as an island- the opposite of open. So ???

Anya Thu 23-Jun-16 19:11:11

Give it a bloody rest durhamjen and stop heckling. people. You're just like an attack athletes foot.

durhamjen Thu 23-Jun-16 18:57:48

politics.us3.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f5ab5efdb629954eb1b8df87b&id=18a04cb7e6&e=f5e4f66f33

The undecideds could swing the referendum.

durhamjen Thu 23-Jun-16 18:56:23

Come on, kitty. Which way?

durhamjen Thu 23-Jun-16 18:55:36

"I voted Leave. Sick of the EU and small minded insular view."

Sorry, ruth, I do understand that.
What does the word insular mean to you?
The EU isn't an island. The UK is. You do not like an insular view so you are going to vote to become more insular?

durhamjen Thu 23-Jun-16 18:51:48

K8tie, I haven't had emails about hate, but definitely about remain being about love.
It's to do with Jo Cox.
If you have given any money to her HopenotHate, RVS or whitehelmets campaign, you will have had one today, probably.
I've had a few.
It's strange how people see things differently.
Sorry if anyone else has said this, but I haven't read through all the posts.

petra Thu 23-Jun-16 18:35:50

granjura lots of people know that. But they would argue that the amount of immigration hasn't helped an already bad situation.

Cathy04 Thu 23-Jun-16 18:34:36

I voted to leave.

The main reason is because I don't want to live in a federal Europe. When we voted to join The Common Market I thought we were joining a trading group. Now we are part of an Empire.

History shows that empires expand, oppress their people and then crumble.

As for voting Remain because then we 'may' at some point in the future be able to leave seems ridiculous. If you want to stay in vote remain, want to leave vote leave, if you don't know by now perhaps it is better you don't vote. Although I don't advocate not voting because people have died for the right to vote.

granjura Thu 23-Jun-16 18:23:56

cookie1070- these are indeed problematic, but are entirely choices made by the current and previous governments. How sold and stopped building Council Houses for instance. Why is the UK using a much smaller % of GDP for healthcare and education as most other EU countries? These are political choices which have little to do with immigration.

petra Thu 23-Jun-16 18:11:19

One bonus of Brexit. We will get through the airport quicker.

cookie1070 Thu 23-Jun-16 18:01:03

l,ve voted out because l fear for the future if we stay in. We cant afford housing for people who have lived and worked here all their lives. lts taking longer and longer to get a doctors appointment and our local schools are overcrowded. l cant see the situation changing in the near future. What lies ahead for our grandchildren.

GillC Thu 23-Jun-16 17:55:10

I voted out, my husband voted remain. Waste of time going to vote really, as a couple we cancelled each other out.

I don't think I will divorce him though. grin

mutti Thu 23-Jun-16 17:35:57

Parish makes the same sensible point too on page 5 of this thread .. about how you should vote Remain if you're undecided, as it it not an irrevocable decision .. as a vote to leave would be.

mutti Thu 23-Jun-16 17:29:14

The point in the post by Indinana on the first page of this thread is from Scientists for the EU. The essence is that a vote to leave is a vote for ever whereas if we vote to Remain and find that it isn't possible to bring reform to the institution, we could always leave at a later date. Remain is much the safer choice and allows us to try to reform the EU from the inside; having been shaken by the threat of the UK leaving, many EU countries would be receptive to reforms which would be in their interests as well.