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kittylester Thu 23-Jun-16 07:48:58

I think I'm going for 'Remain' but I'm still not definite.confused

MagicWriter2016 Thu 23-Jun-16 14:22:40

This is exactly what happened in our Scottish referendum, and there are still folk falling out over it today, calling the No voters cowards, blaming them for everything Cameron has done to folk. Reason I hate referendums and hope this will be the last one in my lifetime!

petra Thu 23-Jun-16 14:21:34

MagicWriter2016 in the event that we vote out ( and I don't think we will) there is no reason why you can't still retire to warmer climes. I have done it twice. One country in the eu the other not in the eu when I bought. In both countries we had to show that we were able to support ourselves as we were not pensioners and were not going to work.
I saw nothing wrong in that. Obviously in the non eu country there was no recipricle NHS agreement so I had to have private medical insurance.

silverlady1 Thu 23-Jun-16 14:12:34

Definitely OUT!! Well put annsixty, we have managed for generations and can do again!!

Bez1989 Thu 23-Jun-16 14:11:06

I voted out.

Mick64 Thu 23-Jun-16 14:09:43

OK, I'm an old geezer. I have led a full life. This vote is not about me, it is about my children, grandchildren and great grandson. It is their future I am voting for. I believe that their future is in a strong united Europe. We have had many wars between us, we do have a common history, we should build on this and be a strong voice in World affairs. We will never be an Empire again but we can have a great influence as part of the EU. Let our children take control now, they are not stupid,we brought them up.

maddyone Thu 23-Jun-16 14:06:54

Well said Rosina. Mischief, we did not sell our fishing rights, the EU allows all EU countries to fish all waters.

MagicWriter2016 Thu 23-Jun-16 14:02:45

I am going to vote In as I like being 'European' as well as British, I think free movement is a good thing, especially for the younger generation and us older ones who might want to go and retire in a warmer climate. Also, immigration brings more younger folk into our country who work and pay taxes to help hopefully to pay for our pensions or we might not get one! We could control our borders if our government had a bit of backbone, other countries seem to manage ok. I also worry that if the EU breaks up, how long would it be before countries would end up being at war with one another because this one wants what that one has etc etc. But, I hope that whichever way it goes, the result is accepted and that we don't spend the next few months/years going on about conspiracies or corruption or whatever.

OldPeculiar1 Thu 23-Jun-16 14:02:08

In a nut shell Rosina but I did not vote for the Common Market. I thought we owed our Commonwealth friends the duty to trade with them, not desert them in favour of Europe. Now however the over bearing attitude of the EU that takes away the ability to self-govern and which imposes irrational conditions, has resulted in a disunited bankrupt mess. Self government was defended throughout two world wars and many lesser wars since. Stand up for the UK and let it trade with the world in it full democratic, self-governing way. Vote Leave.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 23-Jun-16 14:00:06

HannahLoisLuke is right. If you haven't decided by now, you shouldn't vote. You just don't know. Best to abstain.

Nannakate Thu 23-Jun-16 13:53:35

Rosina Turkey are not going to join the EU! Please check your facts independently and don't rely on newspapers - they are biased. If Turkey ever did join it will have to satisfy an enormous checklist of conditions and couldn't possibly qualify as it stands. Also check the immigration facts: there were more non-EU immigrants than EU last year.

There are lots of arguments on both sides of this campaign, but PLEASE check facts first. It will be a tragedy if it goes either way based on scaremongering and lies.

whitewave Thu 23-Jun-16 13:52:25

Or you could do what some idiot dog walker did this morning. Couldn't decide then voted out but has since changed his mind. Bloody idiot

Casawan Thu 23-Jun-16 13:52:05

Annsixty: re your comment about fishing. What, exactly does it say? That your cleaner's view is somehow not as valid as yours? Have you any idea how patronising your comments make you seem? Or did you just want us all to know you can afford cleanerS.

CheekyGran Thu 23-Jun-16 13:41:28

OUT has to be the only way we can return control of our destiny to our shores.

HannahLoisLuke Thu 23-Jun-16 13:37:40

Actually, I think if you really are undecided you shouldn't vote at all, it will only give a false result.

Hattiehelga Thu 23-Jun-16 13:35:52

OUT 10am - first in our Croft to vote.

varian Thu 23-Jun-16 13:26:51

Don't base your decision on myths about the EU -

www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/06/daily-chart-15

Ramblingrose22 Thu 23-Jun-16 13:25:28

icanhandthemback - the reason DC came back with very little is that he asked for very little. He should have negotiated harder for what people here actually want - eg a moratorium on EU immigration to the UK until the EU revises whichever treaty imposes free movement.

But if anyone votes Leave because of their promises, it would be a mistake because the numbers coming here would be just the same, but non-EU instead of a mixture. If the UK Government was serious about controlling immigration, they would - as a first step- introduce identity cards so that we know who is here and who is an illegal immigrant.

Yes, the EU is a mess but the UK isn't a major power anymore who can demand favourable terms in a trade agreement. When the economy crashes if we leave, there will be no money to spend on the NHS or farmers who have lost subsidies because jobs and inward investment will be lost.

Reform the EU from within before giving up on it altogether!

granjura Thu 23-Jun-16 13:22:17

Don't want to nit pick- but isn't that illegal- eg using someone else's voting slip for a second vote?

Neversaydie Thu 23-Jun-16 13:09:28

It's the economy, stupid (as someone once said!).Can all those Economists really be wrong?

icanhandthemback Thu 23-Jun-16 12:50:32

There is a lot of talk about how Peace has been kept by Europe but I think that might be down to NATO! My feeling is I have no chance to make my voice heard if we remain. We might not always get the Government we want or like the decisions but at least there is a chance of change with our so called Democratic system. With the EU, there is no chance. If what is in the pipeline is so wonderful, why don't the EU let us know instead of keeping quiet? I'm not saying that the EU is all bad but it has become big, cumbersome and totally out of control. If they respected our presence, DC would have come back with at least something from his negotiations, not something which is not worth the paper it is written on. I'm out.

harrigran Thu 23-Jun-16 12:48:28

varian I had far more important issues to attend to and I tend to switch off when people accuse me of being ludicrous. The information came from a member of the European parliament, Daniel Hannan MEP for the south east of England since 1999. Why not read his book available on Amazon.
Don't make assumptions about me, anyone who can support themselves financially without going cap in hand to the Australian government is able to settle there. We are able to do that comfortably.

nigglynellie Thu 23-Jun-16 12:47:10

The treatment of animals + the fact that I understood talks are set to start once again with Turkey with a view to EU membership. D.C. has indicated that Turkey won't join till at least the year 3.000! These are going to be long drawn out talks that's for sure!!!

maggiemay01 Thu 23-Jun-16 12:46:52

I have just voted out........ thank goodness "I have made my mind" xxxxxxx

EllenT Thu 23-Jun-16 12:40:11

I too am swayed by Indinana's point and also share yummygran's view - it'll be remain for me now,

harrigran Thu 23-Jun-16 12:39:41

I have just had DD on FB saying that she reserves the right to stamp her foot and shout " you ruined my life " if the vote is not for remain. Because if we are out she says she will have to change her nationality and as a parting shot she said " remember who will pick your care home " Over my dead body, I am going to use her inheritance to pay for private care in my own home angry