Corbyn and No Confidence

That was always going to be a possibility. Oh dear, this is going to be very bitter.

fullfact.org/economy/poverty-insecure-jobs-and-incomes-prime-ministers-questions-factchecked/

And union leaders have rallied behind Mr Corbyn, issuing a joint statement saying that the Labour leader had a “resounding mandate” and a leadership election would be an “unnecessary distraction”.

Someone wanted to know about the unions.

That fullfact is out of date, POGS.

Yes I watched PMQ's and the figures used by Corbyn were disputed again by Cameron. He was correct to challenge Corbyn .

fullfact.org/economy/poverty-uk-guide-facts-and-figures/

I think Cameron made a reasonable response to be honest as Corbyn cannot even put up a full shadow cabinet, hence Cameron said it benefitted his party but not in the national interest for him to stay. Cameron had been baited by Corbyn who mentioned Camerons last months in office and what he was proud of such as bedroom tax. Corbyn dished it out, he got it back.

Who said Cameron was the kind of leader they wanted?

I think your explanation for Jermy Corbyn's lamentable behaviour during the EU referendum is disingenuous dj. As far as I can see he opted for the worst of both worlds. He gave such half-hearted support to the remain campaign, he might as well have come out as a member of the Brexit camp. I understood Labour party policy was to support remain. It seemed to me that while he talked about a move from yahoo politics to more consensus, but somehow when faced with having walk the walk, by working with the Conservatives on the remain campaign, he bottled out.

Ana.... I don't know about being beamed up, he may need 'lasers on stun' to get him out.

It will be a long wait for you then djen...... I wanted full Sovereignty for the UK, which is what we will have.Who said that things would be Utopian.They are not now, and sure as hell would not be if we had carried on with the EU.So, I shall not be disappointed.
As others say, for anyone without Socialist blinkers on, it was blindingly obvious that Corbyn would not last long.If he DID stagger on as Leader he would lose a GE anyway.

Iam, the government backtracked on lots of things when they realised that they would not get a majority in the commons. It could not have just been because of their own members. It had to be Labour MPs as well.

Absolutely agree, M0nica. He turned out to be a damp squib, disappointing for LP supporters and disenchanted Conservative supporters alike - now he's painted himself into a corner and needs beaming up...

Ouch! Monica....... Harsh but fair!

Did anyone watch PMQ today?
It was actually quite civilised until Corbyn mentioned child poverty, whereupon Cameron got quite nasty and reverted to type. Obviously that's the type you want a leader to be. I do not.

Actually roses, I think I might be saying I told you so before long, when you do not get what you wanted for voting to leave.
Can't wait....

I have no sympathy for him whatever. He hasn't even tried to provide effective leadership. Those who try and fail can be admired, those who willingly step into a position of leadership and then refuse to either do the job or go deserve nothing but our contempt.

I had hopes when he was elected that he would prove a dark horse and when put to the test would rise to it. Unfortunately it has proved to be a case of what you see is what you get.

MOnica - I'm (still at this point) a member of theLabour Party and it's"blindingly obvious" to me as well.

I struggle to understand why it's ok for Momentum and SWP/Respect to organise in support of JC but MP's who have reached the end of their ability to continue to support him and talk to each other and their constituents about that are dismissed as "Blairite right wingers". What a terrible mess. Can't JC and his supporters see that the LP is more important than they are. Any government needs a strong opposition and we haven't had that. Before I'm reminded that the government has back tracked on some things. Yes, I know that. I'm also aware that the back tracking followed opposition to those things by their own party members and many, many members of the public who are not tory party members. I feel I'm going back to the 80's and I don't like it.

Everyone also said they disliked the yaboo politics that was going on before and wanted more concensus politics, more discussion about what to do.
Short memories.
There's a thread on here about having a centre party, where there is agreement between different parties.
Corbyn has been criticised on here by many people for changing his mind about the EU. He did that because he listened to people, rather than told them what he wanted to do and they had to go along with him.
It seems to me that a lot of people want it both ways.

I admit to feeling a bit sorry for him though, his team are doing him no favours by telling or agreeing with him, to fight on.

Not too easy to form a new party. Gang of Four yes even though they failed. Where do approx 140 MP's have their headquarters for starters ?

We hate to say it djen but we told you so....right from the off, it was a mistake for the party to have put Corbyns name up, and to actually have him as Leader and PM in waiting,for the next GE, well,it was never going to happen.

To those of us who are not members of the labour party that is blindingly obvious.

How would such a group disenfranchise Corbyn supporters? As I understand it. The party would split and Corbyn would have on his side only MPs who supported him. I am sure this would lead him to become the effecive leader he has so far had such difficulty becoming and his supporters would see him able to support only the policies that he and they believe so passionately.

In the meanwhile the rest of the party can form a new group that stands a chance of being electable.

They cannot fight the Tories without a good strong Leader.

No different to the likes of Momentum which have threatened MP's with deselection. Labour has been a divided party ever since the £3 membership fee was introduced. I bet that is Milibands biggest regret.

What has happened now was always on the cards and when we have spoken about this on GN over the period of time since Corbyn took the Leadership only the faithful refused to accept it could/would ever happen.

Pat Glass (only lasted 2 days) , Nick Smith , both front benchers resigned today. Corbyn is struggling to even fill his cabinet positions.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/anti-corbyn-labour-mps-plan-breakaway-group-in-parliament

They are really getting sick now. Do they really think they can disenfranchise all Corbyn's supporters?

Why are they not fighting the Tories instead of the party?

Anniebach Of course my lecture was patronising, what do you expect when your view is always so one sided?

I have never in my life voted for either of the two major parties in this country but because I know that I will always be governed by one or other of them I take a real interest in both and it is in my interests that both should be effective, in government and in oppostion, and that they are well led, whatever their political persuasion.

The reason labour MPs have moved a vote of no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn is because he has failed to provide effective parliamentary leadership. It is not a vote about his political views nor his principles, just whether he is providing effective leadership in parliament - and he isn't.

If labour party memebers are happy to have as their leader someone who cannot effectively lead their party in parliament then that is fine, but they should give up any ambition of ever forming a government or even having enough MPs to be the main opposition party.

Look at what has happened in Scotland when the Conservatives finally found themselves an effective leader who engaged with the wider electorate. Between them and the SNP, who also have an effective leader, they have gathered the votes of most of the voters who used to vote labour. Do you want something similar to happen in Parliament?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/29/labour-mps-vs-corbyn-war-party-members-tories-brexit

Why are the unions being so quiet still?

Labour MEP's voted on block today calling for his resignation, they too felt he was working on the Brexit side rather than remain.

It will be interesting to see if/how dirty it gets between the Corbyn devotees and the Parliamentary Labour Party.