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Corbyn and No Confidence

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trisher Fri 24-Jun-16 15:20:49

MPs are proposing a vote of No Confidence in Corbyn, but we all know they didn't want him in the first place. Could it be that these MPs kept quiet during the run up to the referendum and are now just taking advantage of a situation they helped create? Is a leader only as strong as the generals that stand behind them?

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 29-Jun-16 19:45:08

Charisma must be in the eye of the beholder.

Ashdown YES!!! Definitely. (fancied him)

Jalima Wed 29-Jun-16 19:44:08

sorry about that
'Sleepless in Surbiton' (or wherever)

Jalima Wed 29-Jun-16 19:43:21

Was Boudicca a politician - she was a leader

rosesarered Wed 29-Jun-16 19:42:00

Now, you know what will happen now....I will be sleepless tonight and in the wee small hours will find myself thinking about him, you have planted a seed.

rosesarered Wed 29-Jun-16 19:40:48

Actually, I meant having both qualities as a politician.

Jalima Wed 29-Jun-16 19:39:17

grin

rosesarered Wed 29-Jun-16 19:38:59

I have never thought about Tony Benn in the middle of the night, or any other time either.grin

Jalima Wed 29-Jun-16 19:38:37

Probably not, but there must be someone in thousands of years of history that did rosesarered

Probably a woman
Boudicca?

rosesarered Wed 29-Jun-16 19:37:32

Ah, but can you really have BOTH qualities Jalima ?

Jalima Wed 29-Jun-16 19:36:37

surely you agree on Benn?
Do you mean Tony? because he had it but I don't think his son has.

Re Tony Benn - I was thinking about him in the middle of the night (as you do hmm when you can't sleep) and I wondered if he was such a Eurosceptic because of his fondness for the Soviet Union? I may be wrong.
I did not agree with his policies, but I did admire him as a person and have taken heart from some things that were written in his autobiography.

Jalima Wed 29-Jun-16 19:33:41

I don't think M0nica has ever said she supports Cameron has she?

Personally, I quite liked David M but I think he has history with the Iraq war.
Andy B with the Health Service (Stafford hospital)
Yvette Cooper with Pathfinder

Someone new with some charisma - and integrity?

Both main parties?

Anniebach Wed 29-Jun-16 19:31:01

Jalima, poor Ed, not a scrap has he. I forgot Ken Clarke , I do like this man, I want to hear what he says, surely you agree on Benn?

Anniebach Wed 29-Jun-16 19:28:24

Thank you for the lecture Monica, sadly not asked for and most definitely not interesting, but without doubt most patronising, very Cameron school

Jalima Wed 29-Jun-16 19:21:44

Blair yes I agree Anniebach a lot of conmen have charisma and charm, that is how they get away with the awful things they do!!

I must say I thought Ed had no charisma at all, but I always wanted to go and give him a hug and say 'there, there, never mind, Justine loves you'.

thatbags Wed 29-Jun-16 19:13:06

Well said, monica.

Ridiculous repartee and horrible back-stabbing are nothing new in parliament. It's just that we can see it nowadays. In the past, before it was recorded, we didn't. It still happened. Read any history with stuff about what went on in parliament in it.

M0nica Wed 29-Jun-16 19:06:42

Aniuebach The first rule in any battle is to understand and appreciate the strengths of your opponents.

No political party is all good or all bad, nor are all the politicians in one party evil. The majority of politicians in all parties come into politics to improve the lives of fellow citizens. Yes, some of them are venal, dishonest and in it for themselves, but they are few and evenly spread across all parties.

You may not agree with the vision of the future certain parties have nor the policies they espouse, but to refuse to respect them and judge them in an unbiassed manner is to shoot yourself in the foot

Anniebach Wed 29-Jun-16 18:54:09

The Millibands didn't, Farsge like Thatcher no way. Blair yes. Brown not on tv but yes in the room. Major no. Wilson yes, Kinnock no. Foot no. Clegg yes. Ashdown no. Tony Benn most definitely.

rosesarered Wed 29-Jun-16 18:15:21

Corbyn never had it.

Ana Wed 29-Jun-16 17:35:28

It may not have been obvious to you, Annie, but for an awful lot of the electorate Margeret Thatched did have charisma. It's not all about elocution lessons and wearing the rght clothes - you've either got it or you haven't. I admit Farage has it, even though I can't stand the man, and Blair had it in spades, of course. Ed never did, but I think his brother's would have emerged had he been given the chance.

Anniebach Wed 29-Jun-16 17:15:28

Thatcher had charisma ? Not even voice coaching managed to give her charisma , but at least the shrillness eased, thankfully

M0nica Wed 29-Jun-16 17:06:09

A good leader with bad policies and a bad legacy to live down willnot get elected. I think Ed Milliband was a useful scape goat that enabled Labour to avoid facing the issues it now has with popular support.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 29-Jun-16 16:57:27

His losing the lection was a lot to do with him personally. If his brother had been in his place it might well have turned out differently. He was not popular with the masses. The op to his nose didn't do the trick.

M0nica Wed 29-Jun-16 16:51:16

Margaret Thatcher had charisma if not charm, but John Major? Ed Milliband was ousted because he lost an election, not because he lacked charm or charisma. The labour party lost the election on their manifesto and the deep distrust that still remained from their (mis)management of the economy prior to 2008.

TriciaF Wed 29-Jun-16 16:50:14

ps just seen Jings thread on the same topic.

TriciaF Wed 29-Jun-16 16:46:28

Did you see/hear Cameron today on PM's questions, asking Corbyn "why don't you just go?"
Maybe because he himself had resigned, but still very harsh.
Corbyn was elected leader by a big majority of party members (including me) but I agree he hasn't shown the force of character to unite the different factions in the party. He was never going to win over the Blairites.