Corbyn and No Confidence

How do you work out he's lazy? Not many 67 year olds can do his job and work down the allotment.

DJ

I understand that but the outcome of being incapable of adding anything constructive , talking to anybody outside of his bubble means he is not talking to anybody beyond his core voter.

Corbyn throughout the referendum debate has refused to speak to anyone from the media spontaneously, of course you could say his performance on The Last Leg t.v program was perhaps the closest he came to it. Corbyn has refused to debate on camera unless it was with his core voter or under 30's , a fact that not many have missed.

He may well have put himself about from north to south but he always is surrounded by his own people, they shield him, they applaud him, they woop him and people are not fooled.

I agree this is not just a Corbyn thing but it is without a doubt prevalent in the Corbyn camp and to be honest watching the few times he has engaged with the media or given a speech he comes over as nothing more than a 'voice of protest' and not in a way that reaches out to those who are not in his circle, his core voting group.

I know Corbyn and his followers believe him to be a 'breath of fresh air' and opposition to the New Labour Years. Well I voted for New Labour and so did a lot of others hence Labour were in power. Corbyn simply does not reach out beyond his bubble , he will not let people see any other side to him , he refuses to engage with anything that could be remotely outside of his comfort zone.

Yes I voted conservative last time, everybody knows that but activist/member I am most certainly not. However I think the government of any colour needs a good opposition and I don't see nor hear it in Corbyn and I think the proof is in the referendum results.

dj, in that case, his age may be a factor?

Being leader of a political party or a government is very hard work. If Corbyn isn't physically up to doing a gruelling 24/7 job - and leading a major political party or a goverment is just that then he shouldn't do it. That is one of the reasons so many political leaders are in their 40s - 50s.

Do we want to be governed by someone who isn't physically up to the job?

He should certainly give up the allotment......or keep the allotment and give up the job!

I've never heard anyone say he isn't physically up to the job, have you?

' “10 EU rallies, with speeches and meetings in London, Bristol, Stroud, Newquay, Perranporth, Cardiff, Blackpool, Bournemouth, Liverpool, Runcorn, Manchester, Truro, Sheffield, Widnes, Doncaster, Rotherham, Hastings, Brighton, Dundee, Aberdeen and Birmingham.

“These included a meeting with student nurses in Birmingham, a factory in Runcorn, a clean beaches event in Truro and campaigning with activists in Scotland.

“Launched the Labour In bus and the Ad Van.

“A debate on Sky News with Faisal Islam, also talked about the EU on the Agenda and the Last Leg. Appeared on the Andrew Marr show twice and on Peston on Sunday.

“Written two op-eds, one in the Observer and another in the Mirror.

“Reached more than 10 million people on social media.

“6 statements to the House of Commons and 10 PMQs on the EU.” '

This is what Corbyn did in the EU referendum debate. I do not know how anyone can say he didn't pull his weight.

The media were more interested in the split between Boris and Cameron.
Do not forget that there was a Labour leave campaign that was funded by Tory donors, too.

This is what Alan Johnson did.
'Alan Johnson, Chair of the Labour In for Britain campaign visited over 100 Labour constituencies across the United Kingdom, with over a thousand miles on the campaign bus in the Short Campaign, leading Labour’s positive campaign for Britain to Remain in the European Union.

He also gave around 20 keynote speeches, represented Labour In at 10 major TV Debates, and gave over 65 interviews in just a few weeks.

He led the campaign from the start and secured endorsements for the campaign from 92 per cent of Labour MPs and all the major Labour-affiliated trade unions.

Alan was responsible for securing almost all of the over £4 million in funding from donors and unions, double the original target, which enabled the Labour campaign to cover over 5,500 miles, print 20 million leaflets, and spend over £1 million on targeted digital advertising.

Alan played a key behind-the-scenes role, leading the campaign from December

He held high-level meetings with key politicians and HQ officials regularly, and daily in the campaign period.

He made crucial decisions about messaging, direct mail, galvanising Labour MPs to campaign by holding regular meetings with them and co-ordinating briefing materials for them to take to their constituencies.

He worked closely with a range of key former Labour figures during the campaign such as Gordon Brown, David and Ed Miliband.

He also set up and directed a national network of regional co-ordinators who made sure that Labour’s field activity was effective and energised, as well as securing funding for and overseeing the recruitment of 70 regional organisers, the biggest recruitment drive in Labour’s history.

He was also responsible for presenting to the NEC and gaining their support to swing the Party machinery fully behind the campaign, unlike CCHQ which was unable to take part.” '

Many people who voted to leave up here did so because of their dislike of Cameron. They saw no point in doing otherwise. They saw that if things stayed the same, there would be no benefit for them. They are just hoping that things will be different.
What they do not realise, no matter how much people tell them, is that voting to leave means fewer workers rights. Doesn't matter if you haven't got a job.

I combined what Obie and you said at semed he obvious conclusion. By the next election he will be 70 and 75 by the time he ends what could be one term as Prime Minister.

It is a question that has to be asked.

There needs to be a fundamental rethink about what the parties stand for, their electorate and reforming into something representing the population
Very true whitewave, they do seem to have become disconnected from Real Life

He should certainly give up the allotment......or keep the allotment and give up the job!

roses you would think that all that fresh organic fruit and veg would keep him fit and put roses in his cheeks (not your roses btw)

Is Alan Johnson older than Corbyn? - Oh, just googled him and he is 66, just under a year younger than Corbyn.

What a difference a year makes, or perhaps he just has more personality and comes across better.

I do know what a difference a year can make at our age.

speye.wordpress.com/2016/06/26/brexit-is-all-corbyns-fault-dont-you-know/

Written by a man who has little time for Corbyn or the Labour Party.

Nobody could accuse me of being a "Corbynista" but I am feeling increasing sympathy with a man who does not "do" * image* -cf Boris on his death slide, who had to compromise his own Eurosceptic principles for the sake of the majority Party view cf just about everybody else, , and who does not bluster and berate like some politicians.
Rather like Michael Foot, he seems unwilling to shapeshift to the "image" some would like to see (cf Blair) or spout weaselword soundbites , again like Blair.
It may result in him being thrown to the wolves.

We claim politicians are liars and would sell their souls for their careers, yet Corbyn has been under attack from day one , the media because he does 'do any publicity if it gets me on tv' , he is honest , would not sell his soul, his concerns for the vulnerable is genuine , he stands by his beliefs regardless of criticism , he listens . He is all that so many MP's are not.

Anniebach with respect I think you meant he does NOT. do "any publicity" etc.

I'm a big Corbyn fan, and Miliband before him. I think he is a man of principle, with views that chime with a large proportion if the population. He has been able to mobilise the younger element of the electorate and has the backing of the trade unions. Along with McDonnell, he makes perfect sense. I was impressed with his speech yesterday on Sky.

Pity no-one's listening.

Many people said we want rid of the sort of politics that used to be PMQs before Corbyn. Now the same people want rid of Corbyn because he's not dynamic enough.
Corbyn does consensus politics. He's being blamed for losing the referendum, but 63% of Labour voters voted to remain.
How is that Corbyn losing it?

How does anybody know what % Labour voters voted Remain?

How does anybody know what I voted to be able to 'factually' report figures?

Oh yes of course I have totally forgot, the experts know nothing and we are all knowing all powerful, until it comes to the crunch and then we look bewildered and rush off and disappear.

Oops, thanks Alea

POGS I read this morning that 7 out of 10 Labour voters voted for Remain.

Not in South Wales, always strong labour

I read it too. It would be interesting to know where they are. I suspect in London, Manchester, Liverpool, Wirral, Bristol, Cambridge and Newcastle.

The Labour voters in the North East, Yorkshire and Wales, etc seem to have voted Leave.

Seven shadow cabinet ministers have now resigned

Cardiff-a relatively wealthy Labour area, voted Remain. Many other, poorer Labour areas in South Wales voted Brexit.

Corbyn said in his interview that if you overlaid a map of Brexiters onto a political map, it would show a correlation between poor/Labour areas and Brexit.

Seems he was right.

I must say I have been very impressed by the way John McDonald has grown into his role

Just answer the question, If you know?

How does anybody know which party you voted for when you voted in the referendum????

We have had months of spin it just seems tone carrying on if it suits your political persuasion.