Brexit watch

As for Hislops point.

When a political party wins an election it is true to say the opposition parties 'do not give up' and continue arguing for the duration. Sometimes arguing for arguments sake.

However they know it is the right thing to accept the result and not call for one, two, three more elections until they get the decision they want do they. However tempting it might be.

Loathsome is just power-hungry, It's so obvious. Let's hoe the tory rank and file see it.

Thank goodness for Ian Hislop on Question Time last night. Other than that I found the programme as frustrating as ever; constant interrupting by DD and questions not being answered.It seems that it's OK for politicians to lie...it's up to the electorate to work out truth from fiction;politicians should not be accountable in any way. I really feel that DD is biased in some way...he seems to interrogate remain people more than leavers and ignore important questions; he linked one important question with another and it was virtually ignored. Oh, and I've just read that Loathsome is going to sort out Putin if she becomes PM. I really feel that she's had some sort of a vision (she was questioned about that in one interview, so I wonder if she is on record as saying something to that effect).#justwhenyouthinkthingscantgetanyworse

Granjura I thought Ian Heslop put his finger on something the Brexiters do not seem to get he said "After an election or a referendum, even if you loose the vote, you are entitled to go on making the argument. When a government in this country wins an election the opposition does not just say "Oh that's absolutely right, I've got nothing to say" for five years. So those of us who, you know, were trying fairly hard in the last few weeks have to follow what on earth is happening in this country - the "leave" vote has left us with a group of leaders who, having lit the fire, have all run away saying someone else can clear up the mess; the Prime Minister who *(can't work out the word) the mess has resigned; everybody has gone. All the people who put their cross down for leave saying this is what want seem to be getting a group of people saying "we can't stop immigration; we can't give £350 million and by the way their might quite a lot of austerity. Sorry, bye".

That was daft. I mean Brexiters! Incidentally, Talking at the hairdressers yesterday - all young people - I had to ask them not to shoot me as they assumed I was one of the old stick-in-muds that voted out!

Remainders want to turn back the clock and return to the cosy little world they believe England once was. They are fantasists.

The thing is Luckygirl is that the biggest difference in the voting pattern was that the majority of Remainers were in work and the majority of Brexiters were not in work.
So whilst I reserve the right to be unhappy about the fact that we have already taken a substantial cut in income (likely to be sustained and yes we do have contingency in our financial model), plus huge worries about our rights to health care and residence, what I will actually be doing will be supporting my DD whose already heavy work load will increase hugely.so
I would say to the "cheer up and be positive" voices.
Fine, but what are you actually doing? Clearly this will never involve complaining when they find themselves worse off.

Oh save me from the positive thinkers. Mary Baker Eddy had a lot to answer for when she invented Christian Science. Now e everything will be alright as long as we look on the bright side.
Exit, humming the tune, "Always look on the bright...."

I do wonder what the Brexiters want. They hated that the remainers warned of the severe problems that the UK would be facing before the vote, charging t he remainers with fear tactics etc. Now when remainers point out that what they said would happen is beginning to materialise they say "oh you are just talking down the economy etc"
Well - no - the vote to leave has ensured the decline in our economy. It has nothing to do with the remainers.

Did you listen to Ian Hislop last night on QT? He said it perfectly. Talking everything down? Au contraire.

Now really, a petition should be started for the second election to the C. party early next week- waiting till September is ludicrous. And Summer recess should be called off- the country can't wait for them to all go on their jollies whilst the place is falling apart. THEY chose the timing for this disaster to happen- they can stay and deal with it NOW, not in 2 months time!

Why is it stupid to expect people to keep promises?

I wish people would not talk everything down as if wishing Great Britain to fail. Know it's difficult to lose, but we have to look forward and be positive, big changes are happening and are being gradually resolved. Nothing worth having is gained easily and we cannot undoe anything, this negative guessing of the worst scenarios helps no one. We need to keep our heads and let things evolve, once we have a new Prime Minister I think a plan will be drafted that covers a lot of people's concerns and no decision implemented that affects people's lives will be instantaneous. The doom and pessimistic false predictions of certain posters are plainly ridiculous and are best ignored. Read 'If' poem, Rudyard Kipling, it still speaks today. Now I'm going to put my head down to avoid missiles. For the stupid Leave Watch campaign, dont they believe in Democracy, if apathetic people could be bothered to vote first time that's their problem.

They just need to watch GN

Vote Leave Watch aims to hold MPs to account over Brexit promises

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/vote-leave-watch-hold-brexit-campaigners-to-account-promises

Signs of inflation as Brexit begins to bite.

Chocolate and computers are first victims of price rise.
Gf K report the biggest slide in consumer confidence in 21 years.
OECD -the vote to leave has exacerbated the UKs weak recovery in pay growth. It highlighted the UK as suffering from the weakest pay recoveries amongst 34 member countries.
Brexit is weighing on recruitment the number of people in permanent jobs fell in June -

Well that will sort out the immigration problem. No One will want to come here when there is better pay and job opportunities elsewhere

Apologies, POGS. I meant petra.

I wouldn't like the city to become a tad of an 'iffy' place though -

As Osborne wants the UK to be a better tax haven than the Channel Islands and the BVI, you may get your wish, Welshwife.

'Might now come' Let's wait and see.

They are also being courted by European capitals who have never got over London winning the race the last time. They will go where the money is and it is now easy to move this sort of business.
I hope they do stay as it will be terrible for the City if many move much business out and this will filter through to other sections of the economy.

Who?

Today George Osborne met with:
Standard Charter
Goldman Sachs
Bank of America
Morgan Stanley
JP Morgan
Citi Bank
Afterwards they gave a joint statement.
"We will work together to identify new opportunities that might now come available so that Britain remaims one of the most attractive places in the world to do business.
One of Britains key economic strengths is that it is a * world leading financial centre*
It has one of the most stable legal systems in the world, a * brilliant * workforce, and deep liquid capital markets * unmatched by anywhere else in europe* all of which are underpinned by * world class regulators*"
Quiet a glowing recommendation I would say.

From the Independent today

'Brexit could spark City exodus as 80,000 jobs are moved to Europe, BCG says

Around 20% of banking and financial jobs may be moved to another European centre like Frankfurt'

I cannot say more on my own previous comment to this effect- which is based on conversations with very senior staff in the City last night re their plans to move abroad to set up branches.

I realise it is worrying for the EU residents in UK but it is equally worrying to British residents living in the EU. If Hammond or anyone else gives an absolute promise that the EU residents can remain in UK with no proviso that UK residents can have a reciprocal agreement where does that leave us.? The EU residents are in a far better position anyway as UK healthcare is free to everyone whereas in EU that is not the case. That is the most dreadful worry for UK citizens living in EU. In fact worrying about this whole situation has directly resulted in my having to see the doctor today as my blood pressure has gone to dangerous levels - I have been hospitalised for this previously - he said I must avoid stress but that is very difficult when this is hanging over you 24 hours a day.
People working in the EU are in a slightly better position as they will be paying into the systems and not be dependent on the reciprocal agreement as most retired people are. We do actually pay Social Charges with our tax here in France despite paying just as much tax in UK as when we lived there. We are hoping that this fact will enable us to continue with our position in the French Health Service even if the UK does feel abandoning the Ex pats in Europe is a cost worth paying to get a better trade deal -- I have read somewhere that some politician has said that.

Daphnedil. 13.25

@POGS.

"Bla. Bla. Bla. Bla. Bla. Bla. Bla"

Excuse me, What on earth are you referring to me about now???? I haven't a clue as usual.

I have friends and ex-colleagues who are in the same situation. They're very worried too. I also have a good friend who lives in Austria with her British husband, one child who was born in the UK and another born in Austria. They're all looking into having dual nationality, but it's a worry and no doubt will be expensive.

It's all very well saying the UK could set a precedent, but this is politics - people don't always behave like 'British gentlemen'. I don't like the situation any more than you do and I still wish I could wake up and find the whole thing has been a bad nightmare, but that's the way it is.

In the end, it probably will be OK. I can't see that the civil service has the staff to process four million applications for citizenship, work visas, etc and to deport all those who don't qualify. I doubt if Spain relishes the idea of deporting two million British pensioners either. However, it's all agreed and signed, I don't think anybody should be trusted.

Hammond is right about yesterday's vote being non-binding according to parliamentary procedure.