Brexit watch

Bet he didn't argue the same after the Scottish referendum.

Re *tegan's question, it has already crossed my mind that some of the more screechy objections to the Leave 'win' (aye, right; see above) will have had at least something to do with people's worries about their investments. I would guess that most people who voted for Leave don't have any investments.

No investments here !!!!
It is people's income they are worried about. - if prices go up as is predicted that will impinge on those of a small income disproportionately to the better off. Many people have a problem managing now without an added problem of price rises. We. have some close family members who are in this category - and these are people who have been careful all their lives and managed to pay their mortgage off before retiring.

Sometimes here people jump to very much the wrong conclusions about people. Not all posts are about things affecting the poster but other people they worry about. Anyone who has investments has been most unlucky since 2008 and the interest rates are still next to nothing.

I don't have any investments, apart from my children's future. Unless the government, with a lower income, start putting loads of money into public services, those school places and waiting lists won't suddenly improve. At a BBQ on Sunday I was talking to a doctor and his doctor wife, both hospital specialists, off to Australia, fed up with government's attitude to the NHS, and the result of the vote. They are leaving in December. Oh well, thats 2 fewer in the population which the leavers will approve of.

I don't understand how anyone could vote leave knowing that they would suffer financially (other than thinking that we would have a much fairer society). A friend who was a very staunch leaver owns three mortgage free properties, has a lot of savings and plays the stock market. I don't know if he made a bit of a killing over the past couple of weeks but I'd be surprised if he didn't (I am avoiding him at the moment).Surely, if you think you'll be worse off yourself it would occur to you that a lot of other people would be also (and would be far less able to cope)I also don't understand the argument that we'll be better off in twenty years time, as I doubt I'll be around then and, in the meantime I won't be able to help my family in the meantime. This isn't about protecting investments and being mega rich, but being able to survive.

Grayling's argument is valid, of course, but I think it would be wrong of the government not to trigger Article 50 based on that argument because it was not agreed or mentioned in advance that a large majority (e.g. the 60% he mentions) was required. To turn around now and say that would be deceptive especially as everyone has been talking and behaving (Cameron's resignation, for instance) as if the vote must be acted upon as it stands.

Some people just do not think of others, Tegan.

Did anyone thirty years ago think that the Sterling rate against the dollar would be the same as it is now? And does anyone now think it's good that it's the same as it was 31 years ago?

Tegan, because freedom, peace and democracy matter a lot more to me.
I can live quite frugally, in order to have the above.

Plus I do happen to think that in the medium and long term, that the country and people will be better off financially on the whole.

I think for me, I was brought up being shown war films by by dad. And most things are a whole lot better than that.

And yet you voted durhamjen, against the very people you used to keep talking about.

What are you on about, obieone?

thatbags, tbh I couldnt be bothered to go on your link, because it is just another thing where people are not accepting what has happened.
I feel that everyone else in the world has moved on except some in Britain, and the EU.
Everyone else has accepted democracy, and accepted democracy right away.

suzied, but I expect that it works both ways, and some people will come here precisely because we are leaving the EU.

I am talking about the not thinking about others remark durhamjen.

How did I vote against them?

Britain is already getting a reputation for not welcoming people of other nationalities - less foreign students wishing to study at UK UNIs and doctors are ceasing to apply for UK posts. That is just two categories- people are worried about the racist behaviour that is beingreported in foreign press.

Did you feel threatened by the EU then Obie? I don't recall any discussions on here prior to referendum about lack of democracy/threat of war etc. I didn't feel threatened prior to the referendum (other than by IS).

I am not going to answer any posts of yours dj, that I think you know the answer to.

Tegan, I feel threatened by what they are likely to become.[I did for instance start a war thread, which I will find later].

Welshwife, I dont think it will take too long for normality to resume in lots of ways, including Britain being welcoming.

And yet you voted durhamjen, against the very people you used to keep talking about.

I have absolutely no idea what this means, unless you are saying I should have known what the outcome would have been, and voted to leave? Is that what you mean?

Who exactly is likely to come here because we have left the EU? I thought we were pulling up the drawbridge to new migrants as we have too many already taking up space in our schools etc.

So you think it OK that a highly qualified British trained cardiologist and liver specialist are leaving the UK because of this government, as we will have others from elsewhere to take their place? From Rumania maybe. That would please the out brigade. Oh no, they won't be allowed in.

Students and non-EU nationals.

Yes I think it is ok suzied. In the time that I have been on grasnet, I have not seen anyone at all complain about our own brain drain. Have you?
People come. People go. Their choice.

and how is that better than British trained doctors and EU nationals?...

But these people are going precisely because of Brexit,
And we don't want anymore people coming do we?

Students aren't coming any more. Lots of them have withdrawn their applications.
As it's no longer certain what non EU nationals will get for their money, they are withdrawing, too.

I dont think anyone said, no immigrants.

There is a world of difference between 0 and 300,000 per year, or whatever the precise figure is.

There are lots of numbers inbetween.

People tend to quote about the 1990 figure or thereabouts? There seemed to be very few complaints around then about that figure.