Brexit watch

I believe referendums (referenda?) are only advisory instruments, making known the opinions of the electorate to the government of the day, who then act on them or not as they see fit. They might suffer for it if they ignore them, but they are at liberty to do so.

I read an article reporting on an interview Farage gave before the referendum in which he said that if the result had a 4% win for Remain (48/52) he would demand a second referendum as this was not a big enough majority.
As this referendum had exactly that difference why isn't he demanding another one to make sure? He is devious and keeping very quiet about this - but a link to this article appeared on the internet today.

I wonder if Osborne is playing cricket with Boris. That's what Stanley said the family would be doing today. They have to make up somehow.

Devorgilla, apparently Theresa May is the stop Boris candidate.

I saw that as well, Welshwife. There's a link on the Guardian website.

Playing cricket!!!!!! I need jing on here to provide the expletives.

Someone on TV just suggested an associate membership ?! Wonder how that would work?

"No wonder Tory leavers wanted Cameron to stay for a bit while they scratched together a plan for dismounting safely from the tiger they’ve been riding. But control is what the Brexiters said they wanted. Now they’ve got it, and they’re about to find out how it feels.

It’s not over yet, of course. There are plenty of Tory MPs grimly determined to make them pay for whatever dark furies they have helped unleash; to lie down in front of the Boris bulldozer.

The obvious name flying around the “anyone but Boris for leader” camp on Friday morning was that of Theresa May. Some of those who backed George Osborne before the chancellor knowingly burned what remained of his ambitions by publishing that fantasy Brexit punishment budget will now back her, as will some Tory women worried that female voters distrust the philandering Johnson.

The women’s minister Nicky Morgan is also testing the water, but May probably has a headstart. The home secretary’s mysterious absence from the airwaves during the referendum campaign disguised a fair bit of local-level campaigning for remain, reaching activists likely to support her."

By Gaby Hinscliff in the Guardian.

Did anyone see any sign of reproach for Theresa May during the referendum debate. No, it was all reserved for Corbyn, who was doing even more than her, going round the whole country.

Associate membership. We would still have to have free movement of people, goods and services, but without having a say in making the rules.

Yes I know that something a German suggested

I want to know if Sam Cam and Gove's wife are still babysitting each other's children. Or has that beautiful friendship hit the dust.

**ww^ leave 'em alone if they want to play cricket. It's Saturday!

"This idea of a coalition of Democratic Alliance (Labour/SNP/LibDems/Greens) running against a far right Tory led campaign (UKIP/ Tories) is the good one.

Now all the parties in one coalition were against Brexit. They should of course fight against the referendum result, even now. If they believe that membership of the EU will prevent a break-up of the Union, and is of economic advantage, and will avoid any further deterioration with the rest of the EU.

If you were to pitch just one Democratic Alliance Candidate with progressive politic agenda against a far right candidate in every constituency, they would of course win."

From Taxresearch. Now all we need is a vote of no confidence against the Tories on Monday, while they are still split.
Anyone know what's happening about the Tory electoral fraud enquiries?

What happens next in the event of a vote to leave is therefore a matter of politics not law. It will come down to what is politically expedient and practicable. The UK government could seek to ignore such a vote; to explain it away and characterise it in terms that it has no credibility or binding effect (low turnout may be such an excuse). Or they could say it is now a matter for parliament, and then endeavour to win the parliamentary vote. Or ministers could try to re-negotiate another deal and put that to another referendum. There is, after all, a tradition of EU member states repeating referendums on EU-related matters until voters eventually vote the “right” way.

Not on leaving the EU, though. The only other country that has done it is Greenland.

Another fine mess you have me in;

www.ibtimes.co.uk/boris-johnson-looked-sick-because-he-has-no-idea-how-fix-national-disaster-hes-bequeathed-us-1567413#slid

Good tweet from Campbell

An associate membership? I wonder what that would cost, and what we would get for the money? Also what we would have to promise to get it?

HSBC to move staff to Paris.

Income from export of services means tax to the exchequer.

If we lose this income or some of it the treasury will have to raise taxes or make deeper cuts

You left off a bit whitewave.
They are to leave if we leave the single market.
Which means that when that happens, they could change their mind, or have other plans or whatever.

I have learnt to go to the trouble of checking your posts now whitewave.

Be afraid whitewave! Be very afraid!

Boris, in that picture in beammeup's link:

"Oh shite! Am I supposed to actually do something now?!"

ww I don't agree with the triple lock because I don't see why pensioners should get a higher increase than others. I'm happy for them to get a double lock (higher of inflation and average earnings), but not the minimum of 2.5% unless others on state benefits get it too.

There's lots of countries with Associate Agreement status and lots going through the process. It can take years and each negotiation is different. I think we would eventually end up with Associate Agreement status.

PS Associate Agreement status can be a stepping stone to full membership. Turkey has had AA status for donkey's years.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/06/25/credit-suisse-dont-think-voting-leave-means-brexit/

It's a diagram showing the options.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/boris-johnson-michael-gove-eu-liars

No love lost between journalists.

I didn't know about this.

The EU has an open skies policy, which has resulted in the incredibly cheap fares to Europe. Brussels may well stop this.

Holidays could increase by as much as 10% because of the fall of the pound against the dollar